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`test_registry_dispatches_rms_norm` asserts that the registry resolves
`rms_norm` to `RMSNormCudaOp` whenever CUDA and the compiled kernels are
both present, but `OpBackend` had no CUDA member for this operator and the
CUDA priority list contained only `PYTORCH_NATIVE_RMS_NORM`, so the assert
could never hold. The test therefore fails on any CUDA machine that builds
the native extension, and only passes when `_HAS_CUDA_RMSNORM` is false --
which is why an unbuilt CI has not caught it.
`RMSNormCudaOp` is already a first-class backend elsewhere: it is the
`"cuda"` candidate in `gtest/operator_specs.py` and is used directly by
`attention_preprocess.py`. Only the registry was missing it.
Add `OpBackend.CUDA_RMS_NORM` and put it ahead of the PyTorch reference in
the CUDA priority list. Because `_load_backend` only catches import errors
and this module imports cleanly without `_C`, a CUDA-first list would
otherwise hand out an op that raises at call time on an unbuilt install; so
`RMSNormCudaOp.__init__` now validates the extension and its three symbols,
matching `_require_cuda_activation` in the activation ops. The registry
already treats a backend whose construction raises as unavailable, so the
list degrades to `NativeRMSNormOp` as before.
Only the `cuda` priority map changes; rocm/musa/cpu/npu are untouched.
Verified on 2x B200 (sm_100, driver 580.126.20, torch 2.13.0+cu130) with the
extension rebuilt from source:
pytest tests/test_rms_norm.py -q
pytest tests/ rl_engine/tests/ -q -p no:randomly \
--ignore=tests/test_rocm_aiter_api_contract.py
tests/test_rms_norm.py passes, including test_registry_dispatches_rms_norm, which
fails on the merge-base. The full suite gains no failure. The ignored file fails
to import on the merge-base as well.
Absolute suite counts are reported in the PR description against a named base
commit, not here: they shift whenever a sibling test is added, so a count frozen
in a commit message goes stale the moment the branch is rebased.
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The forward, backward-dx and both backward-dw launchers took the current CUDA stream without switching to the input's device, so a tensor on cuda:1 while cuda:0 is current launched on the wrong GPU. Add a device guard on the input's device in each launcher. Use at::cuda::OptionalCUDAGuard with the headers included unconditionally, as activation.cu does: those launchers compile in the ROCm build too, where the file's existing c10::cuda::CUDAGuard stays inside the !USE_ROCM block. A two-device test checks that the op runs on the input's device and matches the single-device result. Signed-off-by: Wenbo Ji <36562829+fusheng-ji@users.noreply.github.com>
Advances RFC RL-Align#428 C1 on the CUDA track. Claim level: L0 repeatable and L1 batch-invariant. L2 is NOT claimed -- see "On exactness against vLLM" below. Qwen3-Next's decoder and final norms store a zero-centred weight and compute `x * rstd * (1 + w)`, with the `1 +` applied in fp32 after the upcast. Folding it into a bf16 weight beforehand rounds the offset away, so it has to reach the kernel as a parameter rather than being pre-applied by the caller. NativeRMSNormOp gains `weight_offset` (default 0.0) Qwen3NextRMSNormOp subclasses it, overriding only weight_offset = 1.0 Qwen3NextRMSNormGatedOp GDN gated norm: plain w, weight multiply in fp32 Qwen3NextRMSNormGatedHFOp the transformers convention, kept as a witness The offset is applied under `if cls.weight_offset:` rather than unconditionally, because `0.0 + w` rewrites -0.0 to +0.0. torch.equal does not notice that, but a bitwise comparison does, and the plain path must stay bit-for-bit what it was. A test pins it at the bit level. The gated pair exists because transformers and vLLM disagree on where the gated norm's weight multiply happens, and the gap is not a ULP: on bf16 / head_v_dim=128 they differ in 35% of elements with max|diff| = 6.25e-2. Isolating the cast order alone reproduces the gap (5.3e-2), so the cast order dominates rather than the reduction order. The two conventions share their validation and normalization and differ only in a `_scale_by_weight` hook. CUDA: `weight_offset` added to the forward and dx kernels, defaulting to 0.0 so every existing caller and binding is unaffected. The dw kernel is untouched: d/dw (offset + w) == d/dw w. weight_offset=1.0 vs an explicit fp32 (1 + w) weight bitwise equal weight_offset=1.0 vs a bf16-folded (1 + w) weight differs, as required default offset vs the previous kernel bitwise equal The first line is the correctness argument: the in-kernel offset is the same arithmetic as the fp32 reference, not an approximation. The second is a regression guard -- if it ever passes, the offset has stopped being fp32. On exactness against vLLM ------------------------- Measured over 40 seeds (bf16, head_v_dim=128, 512 rows): ours vs forward_native 6/40 seeds differ, worst 1.56e-2 ours vs forward_cuda 18/40 seeds differ, worst 3.91e-3 forward_native vs forward_cuda 21/40 seeds differ, worst 1.56e-2 vLLM's own two paths are not bitwise equal to each other, so "bitwise equal to vLLM" is undefined until a single provider is named. In fp32 the two paths differ on ~36% of elements, every one by an fp32 ULP -- the tree shapes differ, the semantics do not. What this reproduces is the convention (fp32 weight multiply, single trailing cast); the residual is the reduction tree. The reduction stays the repo's fixed 32-wide chunked sum, which is what buys L1. It was introduced for NPU but is needed on CUDA too: over 20 seeds at H=2048 in bf16 -- Qwen3-Next's own hidden_size and dtype -- a plain mean(-1) broke slice invariance on 1 of 20 while the chunked reduction broke on 0 of 20. Matching stock vLLM bitwise would mean adopting a reduction that is not itself batch-invariant, i.e. trading L1 for L2. tests/check_qwen3_next_norm_providers.py pins the dispatch facts and bounds the gap, asserting magnitudes rather than equality so a vLLM bump that changes the provider fails loudly. It is named `check_` rather than `test_`, following tests/distributed/check_*.py: it imports real vLLM, and tests/test_framework_operator_integrations.py asserts vllm is absent from sys.modules, an invariant any collected test importing vLLM would break for the whole session. Also: `rl_engine/_C.pyi` updated for the new `weight_offset` argument (CI runs mypy against it), `tests/test_qwen3_next_norm.py` added to the CI test list in .github/workflows/ci.yml, and an operator page added per docs/operators/README.md ("the documentation page is part of the operator contract"). Verified on 2x B200 (sm_100, driver 580.126.20, torch 2.13.0+cu130, triton 3.7.1, vllm 0.30.0, transformers 5.17.0): pytest tests/test_qwen3_next_norm.py -q pytest tests/check_qwen3_next_norm_providers.py -q pytest tests/ rl_engine/tests/ -q -p no:randomly \ --ignore=tests/test_rocm_aiter_api_contract.py Both new files pass and the full suite gains no failure. The ignored file fails to import on the merge-base as well. Absolute suite counts are reported in the PR description against a named base commit, not here: they shift whenever a sibling test is added, so a count frozen in a commit message goes stale the moment the branch is rebased. Signed-off-by: Wenbo Ji <36562829+fusheng-ji@users.noreply.github.com>
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Adds the CUDA kernel behind `Qwen3NextRMSNormGatedOp`, and registers both it and
the zero-centred decoder norm from the previous commit.
y = x * rstd * (weight_offset + weight) * act(gate)
Every multiply is fp32 with one cast at the store, matching vLLM's RMSNormGated
with norm_before_gate=True and group_size=None -- the only configuration the GDN
block constructs. Other configurations are rejected rather than approximated.
`expf` is used rather than the `__expf` intrinsic: the fast intrinsic trades
accuracy for speed and would move the result away from the fp32 reference.
Forward reuses the existing block_reduce_sum / choose_threads(H), so for a fixed
H the reduction tree is independent of the row count -- that is the L1 guarantee
-- and `rstd` comes out bitwise identical to the ungated kernel for the same x,
which is asserted.
Backward is assembled from deterministic pieces:
dx new kernel, the ungated dx with (w + offset) -> (w + offset) * act(z)
dweight reuses rmsnorm_dweight_rows_fp32 + the ascending-row fp32 left fold
dgate row-local and reduction-free, fp32 in the wrapper
Both backwards route through one `_fold_dweight_rows` helper so the file keeps a
single left-fold entrypoint, which tests/test_vjp_fp32.py pins, and one
`_require_cuda_symbols` helper so the module has a single availability contract.
The gated op is deliberately NOT a subclass of RMSNormCudaOp: it takes an extra
required tensor, so it cannot stand in for one. Same reasoning as on the PyTorch
side, and stated in its docstring so the question is not reopened.
Registration: `rms_norm_gated` and `qwen3_next_rms_norm` in OP_SPECS (both with a
cuda-sm90 candidate, as every other reduction spec carries), operator_inputs
builders, OpBackend members and priority maps on all five platforms,
test_dispatch assertions, and the WS1 registered-ops set in
tests/test_ws1_gtest_gpu.py. Operator pages added per docs/operators/README.md,
which states the page is part of the operator contract.
Claim level: L0 repeatable and L1 batch-invariant. NOT L2 -- see
tests/check_qwen3_next_norm_providers.py, which pins the dispatch facts and
bounds the gap against vLLM rather than asserting equality.
Verified on 2x B200 (sm_100, driver 580.126.20, torch 2.13.0+cu130, vllm 0.30.0):
pytest tests/test_qwen3_next_norm.py -q
pytest tests/check_qwen3_next_norm_providers.py -q
python scripts/check_operator.py --op rms_norm_gated --candidate cuda \
--device cuda --dtype bf16 --check-grad -> pass_rate=1.0000
python scripts/check_operator.py --op qwen3_next_rms_norm --candidate cuda \
--device cuda --dtype bf16 --check-grad -> pass_rate=1.0000
pytest tests/ rl_engine/tests/ -q -p no:randomly \
--ignore=tests/test_rocm_aiter_api_contract.py
Both new files pass, both operators report pass_rate=1.0000 on the CUDA
candidate, and the full suite gains no failure. The ignored file fails to import
on the merge-base as well.
Absolute suite counts are reported in the PR description against a named base
commit, not here: they shift whenever a sibling test is added, so a count frozen
in a commit message goes stale the moment the branch is rebased.
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…t norms Tests: the low-precision and CUDA-vs-golden comparisons hard-coded atol=2e-2/rtol=1.6e-2, which is the contract's elementwise bf16 row. They now resolve forward_accuracy for op_class="reduction" from tolerance_contract.json. That loosens bf16 (5e-2/2e-2) and tightens fp16 (1e-3/1e-3, previously 2e-2); the fp16 cases still pass. The vLLM provider-gap bounds in tests/check_qwen3_next_norm_providers.py are labelled as gap bounds, not contract thresholds. Docs and docstrings: correct statements this branch had committed. - The operator page no longer says the op is registered or prints a check_operator command; the gtest spec and registry entry arrive with the gated-norm PR. - Withdrawn: "7 of 1048576 differ" (single seed, no script), the 35% / 5.3e-2 cast-order isolation (an fp32 round-trip is a no-op), "needed on CUDA as well", and "matching vLLM means trading L1 for L2" (one unreproduced observation). Replaced with the scoped claim levels and the probe results. - The provider check no longer claims to establish which path vLLM dispatches, or a per-element fp32 ULP bound. - The module docstring is cut to the contract and links to the operator page. Comments: why the kernel's offset add is guarded (signed zero, with the pinning test), and why parameter_vjp_contributions_fp32 passes the offset. Signed-off-by: Wenbo Ji <36562829+fusheng-ji@users.noreply.github.com>
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… branch Brings in bec7e7a (RMSNorm API-version check for stale bindings) and the evidence runner. The plain op now uses RL-Align#467's _require_cuda_rmsnorm; the gated op keeps the generic _require_cuda_symbols, since the gated bindings did not change signature. Signed-off-by: Wenbo Ji <36562829+fusheng-ji@users.noreply.github.com>
…d RMSNorm Adds the gated op (hidden 128, rows = tokens x heads) against the PyTorch reference, transformers' cast-first Qwen3NextRMSNormGated and vLLM's RMSNormGated, with an FP64 golden in vLLM's convention. Row inputs are now generic, so the gate is sliced, differentiated and row-checked like x. Signed-off-by: Wenbo Ji <36562829+fusheng-ji@users.noreply.github.com>
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… on B200 Signed-off-by: Wenbo Ji <36562829+fusheng-ji@users.noreply.github.com>
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…ations Measures the CUDA norm next to transformers, vLLM, FlashInfer, Liger, FLA, Transformer Engine and Megatron-LM, whichever import: batch invariance of every row (plus full workload batch vs covering sub-batches and a dense size sweep), accuracy against FP64 and latency, and this repository's C3/C4 gates run unchanged with the CUDA candidate swapped for each implementation (kept the op's FP32 dweight contributions, so the singleton-aggregate check is like for like). The gate part runs where the Qwen3-Next gate manifest exists. Signed-off-by: Wenbo Ji <36562829+fusheng-ji@users.noreply.github.com>
…w batch invariance (B200, a66493c) Batch invariance of every row (plus full batch vs covering sub-batches and a size sweep), accuracy against FP64, latency, and the repository's C3/C4 gates with each implementation swapped in, from scripts/qwen3_next_norm_reuse_check.py. Signed-off-by: Wenbo Ji <36562829+fusheng-ji@users.noreply.github.com>
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…implementation swapped in (B200, 88f59f7) The gate manifest exists from this branch on. Liger and FLA pass both gates, including singleton-aggregate; transformers fails C4 and Megatron's batch-invariant RMSNorm fails both. Signed-off-by: Wenbo Ji <36562829+fusheng-ji@users.noreply.github.com>
…ch invariance (B200, abb56c2) Batch invariance of every row (plus full batch vs covering sub-batches and a size sweep), accuracy against FP64, latency, and the repository's C3/C4 gates with each implementation swapped in, from scripts/qwen3_next_norm_reuse_check.py. Signed-off-by: Wenbo Ji <36562829+fusheng-ji@users.noreply.github.com>
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RL-Align/RL-Kernel:test-qwennextata5a92ecf6cbf29fdcfc862846e53db5fa244c35eas requested in RFC #428. This PR still targetstest-qwennext.Implementation changes now live in the canonical
rl_engine/backends,rl_engine/reference,rl_engine/runtime, andrl_engine/validationdirectories. Where present, model assembly and vLLM training bridges userl_engine/models/qwen3_nextandrl_engine/integrations/engines/train/vllm, respectively. Tests usetests/models/qwen3_next; evidence and validation commands usetools/validation/modelsandtools/validation/operators. Existing upstream compatibility entry points and pinned operator identifiers are preserved. CI commands and path filters follow the new layout, including thetest-qwennexttarget.Validation after migration: 295 passed, 72 skipped in the relevant regression suites. CUDA tests used extensions built from the matching migrated native sources on B200. Syntax, undefined-name/duplicate-import checks, formatting, and
git diff --checkpassed.Status [2026-10-08]
scripts/qwen3_next_norm_reuse_check.py; report and figure indocs/usage/evidence/qwen3-next-norm-reuse-b200). Sinceb4bb977the branch gained only that script, its evidence, the C3/C4 gate results for [WS1][CUDA][Qwen3-Next] C1: zero-centred RMSNorm references and CUDA kernel (RFC #428 stack 2/4) #467's op, and the merge of [WS1][CUDA][Qwen3-Next] C1: zero-centred RMSNorm references and CUDA kernel (RFC #428 stack 2/4) #467 (no change outsidedocs/and that script). See Prior art.cf68fd9named in the Latest Status below, the branch merged the updated [WS1][CUDA][Qwen3-Next] C1: zero-centred RMSNorm references and CUDA kernel (RFC #428 stack 2/4) #467 base (8ce67e0) and, on 2026-10-08, [WS1][CUDA][Qwen3-Next] C1: zero-centred RMSNorm references and CUDA kernel (RFC #428 stack 2/4) #467's latest state (1edc9d4, withbec7e7a). That merge resolved a conflict inrmsnorm.py: the plain op uses [WS1][CUDA][Qwen3-Next] C1: zero-centred RMSNorm references and CUDA kernel (RFC #428 stack 2/4) #467's API-version check_require_cuda_rmsnorm, and the gated op keeps the generic_require_cuda_symbols, since the gated bindings did not change signature. At1edc9d4with two B200s: the norm suites 263 passed (72 skipped, all Ascend),tests/check_qwen3_next_norm_providers.py9 passed, and the four Qwen3-Next C3/C4 gates pass. The older results under Test results predate these merges.a441ff9runner,024823devidence); see Comparison charts below.dweightfold that meets the singleton-aggregate check bitwise. FLA'srmsnorm_fnpasses the same gate without one (see Prior art).Latest Status [2026-10-04]
2026-10-04, later: re-stacked onto #467 (
d03c852, on #4666a4f078). #466 now adds the device guard amaintainer asked for in the four plain CUDA RMSNorm launchers; this branch had added the same guards itself
(the commits now
263e4cfand7f4012c), so after the replay those two commits keep only what #466 doesnot have: the
T == 0early returns, the kernel launch checks, and the guards on the two gated launchers.The tree differs from the previous tip only by #466's two comment lines and its two-device test. Commit
ids below are the replayed ones.
Ready for review. Third of a four-PR stack for #428, on top of
feat/cuda-qwen3-next-c1-norm(#467, tipd03c852), which is itself onfix/registry-cuda-rmsnorm-dispatch(#466). Both must merge first. Tipcf68fd9.2026-10-04: the maintainers retargeted the stack to
test-qwennextand asked for conflicts to beresolved; re-stacked onto #467 (
d03c852, ontest-qwennext11cac8c) with every commit signed off(DCO). The branch used to carry a merge of the C1 branch whose merge commit also edited three
files; it is now linear, and those edits are the last commit,
cf68fd9. The patch relative to#467 is identical to the one measured below (
git patch-id), and the final tree is byte-identicalto the pre-rebase tip.
b0f4c5caddresses the review of this branch, and0cceb84switches thelaunchers' device guard to the form the ROCm build already compiles. Test results below were
measured before the re-stack;
32b765e..11cac8con the base is formatting, lint/docs/CI configuration and the logpindexed-write fix; the arithmetic measured here is unchanged. The diff shown by GitHub
includes #466's and #467's commits until they merge.
Repository
file:linerefer to this branch (cf68fd9; the line numbers are those of0cceb84,which
cf68fd9does not shift in the files cited). vLLM paths are relative to the installedvllm0.30.0 package root.Summary
RMSNormGatedwithnorm_before_gate=Trueandgroup_size=None, which is what theGDN block constructs (
model_executor/layers/mamba/gdn/qwen_gdn_linear_attn.py:487-494).The op has no parameter for either, so other values are not implemented rather than
rejected.
silu(swishis accepted as an alias) orsigmoid, fixed atconstruction and validated before the extension check (
rmsnorm.py:191-196,:322-327). The registry constructs the default,silu(registry.py:1364). vLLMtakes it from
config.output_gate_type(defaultsilu,qwen_gdn_linear_attn.py:480-485),so the registered op matches the released config, not every config.
expfis used,not
__expf(csrc/cuda/rmsnorm.cu:210-223); a build withKERNEL_ALIGN_USE_FAST_MATH=1(off by default,setup.py:164-165) turns it back intothe intrinsic.
rstd. The forward copies the ungated kernel's sum-of-squares loop(
rmsnorm.cu:120-131and:248-259), with the sameblock_reduce_sumand the samechoose_threads(H)launch shape. For a fixed H the reduction tree therefore does notdepend on the row count, which is what L1 rests on. The 36-case identity test
(
tests/test_qwen3_next_norm.py:497-519) spans fp32/fp16/bf16 × H ∈ {128, 2048, 5120}× {silu, sigmoid} × offset ∈ {0, 1}; the H values cover both launch shapes (128
threads at H=128; 512 threads with 4 or 10 serial columns).
dxis a new kernel: the ungateddxwith(w + offset)replaced by(w + offset) * act(z).dweightreusesrmsnorm_dweight_rows_fp32and theascending-row fp32 left fold, through the one
_fold_dweight_rowshelper both CUDAops share (
rmsnorm.py:8;tests/test_vjp_fp32.py:142-152pins onereduce_rows_fp32(call per file).dgateis row-local, reduction-free and fp32.parameter_vjp_contributions_fp32takes
rstdfrom_C.rmsnorm_gated_forward(rmsnorm.py:348-366), the statisticthe backward uses;
test_cuda_gated_parameter_vjp_contributions_match_the_foldasserts
torch.equalwithweight.grad. The plain op got the same change in the PRbelow; the Triton op still recomputes (see Notes).
rms_norm_gatedandqwen3_next_rms_normare added toOP_SPECS(each with a
cuda-sm90candidate),operator_inputs.py, the registry (CUDA first,PyTorch reference on every other platform) and the WS1 registered-ops set. This is the
first branch in the stack where
check_operator --opaccepts their names.csrc/ops.cppnowTORCH_CHECKs the plain kernels' inputs. fp64 is now rejectedby
rmsnorm_forwardandrmsnorm_backward_dx; onmainthey dispatched withAT_DISPATCH_FLOATING_TYPES_AND2, which includes double.USE_ROCMguard around thec10/cudaincludes inrmsnorm.cuis removed, andthe launchers use
at::cuda::OptionalCUDAGuardasactivation.cudoes. The ROCmbuild has not been run (no ROCm device); see Notes for the static check.
--manifest, and adapters can be model-scoped.cf68fd9carries the edits of the former merge with the PR belowand moves the gated tests onto its contract tolerances;
b0f4c5caddresses the review (see the committable).
should the CUDA strict profile use for forward arithmetic? See Notes.
Prior art & reuse decision
Measured with
scripts/qwen3_next_norm_reuse_check.py, committed in this PR.rms_norm_gated.jsonwas written from a clean tree atabb56c2on an otherwise idle B200. The doc's "Existing implementations" section has the figure and the command. Batch invariance is bitwise and covers every row computed alone vs inside full batches of three sizes, the full 262144-row batch vs sub-batches covering every row, and a dense batch-size sweep. Accuracy is against FP64; latency is at the workload size. The C3/C4 column runs this repository's own gate scripts unchanged, with the CUDA candidate replaced by a subclass of this op whose forward and backward call the other library. The subclass keeps this op's FP32dweightrow contributions, so singleton-aggregate compares like with like.Decision: open, and the reuse rule points to FLA's
layernorm_gated.rmsnorm_fn. It is batch-invariant on every check, has vLLM's arithmetic (99.9987% correctly rounded, like this kernel) and a backward, passes the same gates, and takes 882 µs vs 115 ms forward + backward. The earlier reason for writing our own was: "transformers' arithmetic differs from vLLM's, and vLLM's has no backward". That no longer holds. Two earlier statements here were also wrong: vLLM'sRMSNormGated.forward_cudais not batch-invariant, and FLA'sfused_norm_gatepasses the gates but is not batch-invariant at the 262144-row workload. The gates use small shapes, which is why the checks above test every row and the full batch. This kernel's only remaining advantage is that it adds no dependency. Question for @inaniloquentee: switch to FLA'srmsnorm_fn, or keep this kernel?Comparison charts
RMSNormGated*dx,dgate(of 768)* forward only.
docs/usage/evidence/qwen3-next-rms-norm-gated-b200/report.json, written byscripts/qwen3_next_norm_evidence.pyfrom a clean tree at822b085on an otherwise idle B200; the same report re-measures the zero-centred op.Files
csrc/cuda/rmsnorm.cub11b957,7dd291a,aaf0986,0cceb84:230,:279) and launchers (:457,:497);USE_ROCMinclude guard removed (7dd291a); offset added only when nonzero (aaf0986,:270,:306,:320); six launchers useat::cuda::OptionalCUDAGuard(0cceb84;:391,:428,:467,:507,:543,:573)csrc/ops.cpp,rl_engine/_C.pyib11b957,7dd291a,b0f4c5crmsnorm_gated_forward/_backward_dxbindings (:830-838); input checks (:313-334); duplicate dim/size checks dropped (b0f4c5c)rl_engine/kernels/ops/cuda/norm/rmsnorm.pyb11b957,7dd291a,b0f4c5cRMSNormGatedCuda,Qwen3NextRMSNormGatedCudaOp(:300); activation as a constructor argument,dgatesigned zero (b0f4c5c,:270-273,:322-327)rl_engine/kernels/ops/pytorch/norm/qwen3_next_rms_norm.py7dd291a,cf68fd9cf68fd9)rl_engine/kernels/registry.pyb11b957OpBackendentries (:161-171);cudalists (:609-616)rl_engine/kernels/gtest/operator_specs.py,operator_inputs.pyb11b957:49-78); gated inputs follow--head-dim(operator_inputs.py:98-114)rl_engine/kernels/gtest/gradient_adapters.py8df1ffbrl_engine/testing/qwen3_next_norm_manifest.json,qwen3_next_workload.py8df1ffb,b0f4c5cb0f4c5c)rl_engine/testing/ws1_workload.py8df1ffb,b0f4c5cload_manifestdispatches onscope(:267-272);workload_report()(b0f4c5c,:276-288)scripts/check_{forward,gradient}_invariance.py8df1ffb,b0f4c5c--manifest(with help) andvalidate_norm_dimensions; report viaworkload_report()(b0f4c5c)ci/run_ws1_gtest.sh8df1ffb,b0f4c5c:79-88)tests/test_qwen3_next_norm.pyb11b957,7dd291a,aaf0986,5eaeca8,cf68fd9,b0f4c5crl_engine/tests/test_dispatch.pyb11b957,4ea1611,b0f4c5c:264-325)tests/test_qwen3_next_workload.py8df1ffb,b0f4c5ctests/test_ws1_ascend_closeout.py,tests/test_ws1_gtest_gpu.py8df1ffb,b11b957docs/operators/qwen3-next-rms-norm-gated.md,docs/.nav.yml,docs/operators/README.mdb11b957,7dd291a,b0f4c5cb0f4c5c)docs/operators/qwen3-next-rms-norm.mdb11b957,cf68fd9check_operatorrestored after the mergeb11b9577dd291acsrc/ops.cpp(also for the plain kernels), and the parameter-VJPrstdtaken from the kernel8df1ffbci/run_ws1_gtest.shaaf0986-0.0weights bit-exact in the gated kernels whenweight_offset == 04ea1611qwen3_next_rms_norm5eaeca8rstdidentity test swept to 36 cases. Its message was written before its GPU run ("Not yet run on a GPU"); the results below supersede itcf68fd9check_operatorcommand, the gated tests use_forward_tol(bf16reductionrow, 5e-2/2e-2, looser than the private 2e-2/1.6e-2 they had), and the reference docstrings name the gated pageb0f4c5cTORCH_CHECKs dropped;workload_report()readsfull_model_evidencefrom the manifest; module-level import and--manifesthelp; dispatch tests parametrized and resolved fordevice="cuda"; SPDX headers; explicit gate commands; activation as a constructor argument;dgatesigned zero. Three new tests. Its message also predates its GPU run0cceb84USE_ROCMblock switch fromc10::cuda::CUDAGuardtoat::cuda::OptionalCUDAGuard(device_of(...)), the formactivation.cuuses in the ROCm build; same device source, same behavior on CUDATest
MAX_JOBS=32 TORCH_CUDA_ARCH_LIST=10.0 RL_KERNEL_REQUIRE_EXT=1 \ pip install --no-build-isolation --no-deps -e . python -m pytest tests/test_qwen3_next_norm.py -q -p no:randomly python -m pytest rl_engine/tests/test_dispatch.py -q -p no:randomly python -m pytest tests/test_qwen3_next_workload.py -q -p no:randomly python -m pytest tests/check_qwen3_next_norm_providers.py -q -p no:randomly # needs vLLM 0.30.0 python -m pytest tests/ rl_engine/tests/ -q -p no:randomly -rfE \ --ignore=tests/test_rocm_aiter_api_contract.py python scripts/check_operator.py --op rms_norm_gated --candidate cuda --device cuda --dtype bf16 \ --batch 2 --seq 16 --head-dim 128 --seed 123 --check-grad python scripts/check_operator.py --op qwen3_next_rms_norm --candidate cuda --device cuda --dtype bf16 \ --batch 2 --seq 16 --normalized-dim 4096 --seed 123 --check-grad # C3/C4 gates, as in ci/run_ws1_gtest.sh:79-88 export RL_KERNEL_REQUIRE_EXT=1 PY=python3 QWEN3_NEXT_NORM_MANIFEST=rl_engine/testing/qwen3_next_norm_manifest.json "$PY" scripts/check_forward_invariance.py --manifest "$QWEN3_NEXT_NORM_MANIFEST" \ --op qwen3_next_rms_norm --candidate cuda --backend-profile cuda_bf16 --hidden 2048 --head-dim 128 "$PY" scripts/check_gradient_invariance.py --manifest "$QWEN3_NEXT_NORM_MANIFEST" \ --op qwen3_next_rms_norm --candidate cuda --backend-profile cuda_bf16 --hidden 2048 --head-dim 128 "$PY" scripts/check_forward_invariance.py --manifest "$QWEN3_NEXT_NORM_MANIFEST" \ --op rms_norm_gated --candidate cuda --backend-profile cuda_bf16 --hidden 2048 --head-dim 128 "$PY" scripts/check_gradient_invariance.py --manifest "$QWEN3_NEXT_NORM_MANIFEST" \ --op rms_norm_gated --candidate cuda --backend-profile cuda_bf16 --hidden 2048 --head-dim 128environment variables (
python setup.py build_ext --inplace).tests/test_rocm_aiter_api_contract.pyis ignored because it fails to import onmain: it imports_AITER_FWD_REQUIRED_KEYWORDS, whichrocm/attention/flash_attn.pydoes not define. Not ignoring it aborts collection.
check_operatoruses the script's default shapes (scripts/check_operator.py:107-120),not the Qwen3-Next dimensions. The gated op takes its width from
--head-dim, not--normalized-dim(operator_inputs.py:98-114). The C3/C4 gates run at theQwen3-Next dimensions, and the seed (20260812) comes from the manifest.
Test results
Cluster B200 (sm_100), driver 580.126.20, torch 2.13.0+cu130, triton 3.7.1, vllm 0.30.0,
transformers 5.17.0, Python 3.12.14; extension built from source for sm_100. The
mainbaseline ran on a B200 node of the same type.
main(32b765e)0cceb84)check_operatorrms_norm_gated/qwen3_next_rms_normpass_rate=1.0000/pass_rate=1.0000(andrms_norm1.0000)passed=True; 72 invariance and singleton-aggregate comparisons, all bitwise (max_abs=0), across batch size, chunk, padding and permutationcuda:0current, all six launchers (plain fwd/dx/dw, gated fwd/dx) oncuda:1inputs write tocuda:1and are bitwise equal to the same calls oncuda:0; the current device is unchanged afterwardspre-commit(pinned hooks, Python 3.10)cf68fd9andb0f4c5c(hook environments built with Python 3.10.20) and on0cceb84's one file; earlier commits in the 4ddbaa0 detailsFailure sets are compared by test ID against the
mainbaseline; the branch run used thesame B200 node as the baseline. The device-guard check is a one-off script (not in this
PR); it calls the extension's six launchers directly.
An earlier full run at
b0f4c5c, on a different node, had one failure not onmain:tests/test_weight_sync_bridge.py::test_shared_memory_bridge_tensor_alias_is_visible_across_processes,whose spawned child died in
SemLock._rebuildwithFileNotFoundError(the semaphore wasgone from
/dev/shm). This PR touches no weight-sync code; the test passed 5/5 when rerunalone on another node, and it passes in the
0cceb84run above.Targeted tests and gate output (b1e2efd)
Each gate prints one
accuracy,invarianceorsingleton_aggregateline per comparison; the four logs total 72 invariance and singleton-aggregate comparisons, allmax_abs=0.Failure IDs: main (32b765e) vs this branch (b1e2efd), cluster
Mutation check, measured at
4ddbaa0The
rstdidentity test is meant to fail if anything perturbs the gated statistic. A separate runchecked that at
5eaeca8: it added+1e-4fto each square in the gated kernel'ssum of squares and rebuilt. The
rstdtest then failed in all 36 configurations(36 failed, 100 deselected), so the test detects a perturbed gated statistic.
The edited line, at
5eaeca8(git show 4ddbaa0:csrc/cuda/rmsnorm.cu | sed -n 245,256p):At
b0f4c5cthe same line is:254(the PR below added a three-line comment at:146-148; the plain kernel's copy at:125is untouched). To repeat on this branch:At
5eaeca8the file collected 136 tests, hence 100 deselected; atb0f4c5cit collects141. The recipe has not been re-run at
b0f4c5c.Mutation checks for the review fixes, measured at
257007cTwo Python-only mutations (no rebuild), each run on its own against the full
tests/test_qwen3_next_norm.pyon a B200 with_Cloaded from the tree under test:dgateadds the offset unconditionallysed -i -e '271s/scale = weight.float()$/scale = weight.float() + ctx.weight_offset/' -e '272,273d' rl_engine/kernels/ops/cuda/norm/rmsnorm.pytest_cuda_gated_dgate_keeps_signed_zero_weightfor fp32, fp16 and bf16swishmapped tosigmoidsed -i '188s/"swish": 0/"swish": 1/' rl_engine/kernels/ops/cuda/norm/rmsnorm.pytest_cuda_gated_swish_is_an_alias_for_siluEach new test fails when the behavior it pins is removed, and no other test in the file
catches either change. Restore with
git checkout rl_engine/kernels/ops/cuda/norm/rmsnorm.py.Earlier results at
4ddbaa0(and local results atde58159)Cluster,
5eaeca8, same software as above. Each run built_Cfrom its own cleansnapshot of the ref and refused to run unless
rl_engine._C.__file__was inside thatsnapshot.
against
main, and the two fixed by the bottom PR stay fixed. Arithmetic: 2942 + 2fixed + 154 newly collected (4036 − 3882) = 3098; 83 of the 154 are added in this PR.
5eaeca8:test_qwen3_next_norm.py136 passed (71 new here,incl. the 36
rstdcases);test_dispatch.py17 passed (4 new);test_qwen3_next_workload.py7 passed;check_qwen3_next_norm_providers.py9 passed;test_rms_norm.py57 passed, 72 skipped;test_ws1_gtest_gpu.py9 passed;test_vjp_fp32.py50 passed.passed=True. All 72 comparisons arebitwise (
max_abs=0): 68 invariance pairs across batch size, chunking, padding andpermutation, plus 4 singleton-aggregate checks of
dweight, which supplydweight'sbatch-size coverage. This was the first time these gates ran anywhere; CI has not
reached them.
check_operator, without shape flags (the defaults above):rms_norm_gated,qwen3_next_rms_normandrms_norm, eachpassed=True pass_rate=1.0000. Thejob is not recorded.
Local,
aaf0986: 2× B200, same software; extension built with-gencode=arch=compute_100,code=sm_100. The_Cit loaded was built from82e6c16(
git diff --stat de58159 82e6c16 -- csrc/is empty); that build has since been deleted,so this cannot be re-checked. The two commits after
aaf0986and before the mergechange only tests.
mainhas two fewer failures on the cluster node than locally; each comparison isagainst the same-environment baseline. Measured at
aaf0986againstmain: realpre-commit, no new findings (also clean on the two later test commits);mypy --ignore-missing-imports rl_engine/, no new errors (not re-run since);mkdocs build --strict, 8 warnings, the same 8 asmain.Notes
Dispatch: construction failure falls through to the reference
Qwen3NextRMSNormGatedCudaOp.__init__checks for the compiled symbols(
rmsnorm.py:325-327). The registry's_load_backend(registry.py:1372) only catchesimport and attribute errors, but
_get_or_create_backend(:1353-1370) skips a backendwhose construction raises. Raising in
__init__therefore lets the CUDA-first list fallthrough to the PyTorch reference on a build without the extension. Neither runtime hook
(
_adjust_priority_from_env,_adjust_priority_for_hardware) inserts another backendfor these two ops.
rl_engine/tests/test_dispatch.py:284-325covers both ops. Sinceb0f4c5cthefallback test resolves for
device="cuda", so the CUDA-first list is walked even on aCPU-only host, and it asserts the CUDA backend is in
_failed_backends. It is skipped onHIP builds.
Both specs carry a
cuda-sm90candidate, asrms_norm,qk_normandlm_headdo(
det_gemm, also a reduction spec, does not). Without it,--candidate cuda-sm90failswith a
KeyError.Changes to existing code, in detail
csrc/ops.cpp(7dd291a; duplicates removed inb0f4c5c), checks shared by theplain and gated entry points (
:313-334):rmsnorm_forwardandrmsnorm_backward_dx); weight must have the x dtype or be fp32.dymust have the x dtype, andrstdmust be fp32.rmsnorm_backward_dwhas these checks plus device, mask and H checks, but no xdtype restriction.
mask), andH > 0.CUDAGuardandC10_CUDA_KERNEL_LAUNCH_CHECK; the left-fold launcher already had them. The per-rowlaunchers and the chunked
partial_dwlauncher return early whenT == 0.b0f4c5cdrops the dim/size checksrmsnorm_check_weightalready performs; errormessages for those cases now come from it, and no test matches the removed messages.
USE_ROCMguard (7dd291a,0cceb84).setup.pycompilesrmsnorm.cufor ROCmas well. Static check only, no ROCm device: PyTorch's
hipify(extension mode)translates the file without error; the two headers and
C10_CUDA_KERNEL_LAUNCH_CHECKare already used unguarded by sources the ROCm build compiles (
activation.cu,deterministic_attention.cu, the logp kernels); and since0cceb84the launchers usethe same
at::cuda::OptionalCUDAGuardasactivation.cu. The onlyc10::cuda::CUDAGuardleft is inside the
USE_ROCM-excluded left-fold block. A ROCm build has not been run.weight_offsetonly when it is nonzero(
aaf0986), as the plain kernels do after the PR below. Sinceb0f4c5cthe Pythondgatepath does the same (rmsnorm.py:270-273), pinned bytest_cuda_gated_dgate_keeps_signed_zero_weight(3 dtypes).8df1ffb,b0f4c5c).scripts/check_{forward,gradient}_invariance.pygain
--manifest, and their JSON report gains aworkloadblock for every op.validate_norm_dimensionsreturns immediately for any manifest other than theQwen3-Next one (
qwen3_next_workload.py:87-93). Sinceb0f4c5c,workload.full_model_evidenceis read from the manifest:Falsefor the Qwen3-Nextmanifest,
Nonefor the Dense manifest, which declares none (it was hard-codedFalsefor every op).rl_engine/testing/ws1_workload.py:load_manifestdispatches validation on themanifest's
scope, and_validate_model_identitytakes the fingerprint as aparameter (
:315-320).(
tests/test_ws1_ascend_closeout.py:195-199) skips adapters scoped to another model,and a new test (
:207) asserts those resolve toabsent_not_required.Where the manifest's weight hashes come from
rl_engine/testing/qwen3_next_norm_manifest.jsonpinsQwen/Qwen3-Next-80B-A3B-Instructat revision
9c7f2fbe…, with 41 shard SHA-256s and sizes, the index file's SHA-256, and acontent_hash. How these values were first obtained is not recorded on this branch(
8df1ffb's message is subject-only), and nothing on the branch re-derives them fromfiles. What the validator checks (
ws1_workload.py:337-369, called fromvalidate_norm_manifest,qwen3_next_workload.py:44) is internal consistency only:index_sha256is 64 lowercase hex characters;weight_files_total_size_bytesequals the sum of the shard sizes;content_hashequalsweight_snapshot_hashover the sorted (filename, sha256, size)records (
:1135-1139).The values are, however, reproducible from public Hugging Face Hub metadata at that
revision: all 41 shard SHA-256s and sizes equal the LFS
oid/sizeof the revision's 41.safetensorsfiles;index_sha256is the SHA-256 of itsmodel.safetensors.index.json;total_size_bytesis that index'smetadata.total_size; andcontent_hashrecomputes.No weight bytes were downloaded, so this relies on Hugging Face's LFS digests.
The gates never load weights: they use synthetic inputs at the checkpoint's dimensions
(
provenance_boundary.runtime_verified: false,full_model_evidence: false). The Densepath's
verify_hf_weight_snapshot(rl_engine/alignment/qwen3_dense.py:548) has noQwen3-Next counterpart.
On exactness against vLLM, and the question for the maintainers
vLLM has three numerical paths for this norm, and none is bitwise equal to another:
A. eager
forward_native(PyTorch ops); B. FLAforward_cuda(Triton); C.forward_nativecompiled by Inductor inside the model graph.custom_opsdefaults to"none"(
config/vllm.py:1608-1615). The norm is called atqwen_gdn_linear_attn.py:856,outside the splitting op
vllm::qwen_gdn_attention_core, so it is traced into themodel graph.
enforce_eager→ B.custom_opsbecomes"all"(config/vllm.py:1615).A vs B (committed in
tests/check_qwen3_next_norm_providers.py, from the PR below andnot changed here): over 40 seeds (bf16,
head_v_dim=128, 512 rows, one shape, B200)they disagreed on 21, worst
1.56e-2. In fp32 they differ on about 36% of elements,under an asserted bound of
1e-5. The file bounds the eager gaps rather than assertingequality.
Conventions. vLLM's fp32 weight multiply is
Qwen3NextRMSNormGatedOp;transformers' cast-first multiply is
Qwen3NextRMSNormGatedHFOp. One earliermeasurement, with no committed script, found them differing on 35% of elements in bf16,
max
6.25e-2(docs/operators/qwen3-next-rms-norm-gated.md:91-94, one seed). Thecommitted test asserts only that they differ (
> 1e-3) in bf16 and agree bitwise infp32.
Question (RFC #428 §0 item 1): which source of truth should the CUDA strict profile
use for forward arithmetic?
shared vLLM forward. For this norm that means the FLA kernel or the compiled path,
depending on mode.
RMSNormto PyTorcheager arithmetic on CUDA (
rl_engine/integrations/vllm_runtime.py:1283-1304,:1415); on ROCmstrict_rms_normgoes torocm.rmsnorminstead(
rl_engine/kernels/ops/pytorch/norm/rms_norm.py:17-21, and:44-48with a residual).The answer also decides which gated convention is the strict default.
The Triton op still has the split the plain CUDA op had on
main: its parameter-VJPhook recomputes
rstdwithmean(-1)(rl_engine/kernels/ops/triton/rmsnorm_triton.py:164-169)while its backward uses the saved
rstd(:127-130). That is how it is onmain, andit is left for a separate change.
Diagnostic, not reproducible from this branch: compiled path and
VLLM_BATCH_INVARIANT=1From a one-off standalone probe (not committed, not an engine run):
On
VLLM_BATCH_INVARIANT=1:enforce_eagerthe FLA kernel nevercalls
aten.mean.(40/40), with 0 calls to the batch-invariant
mean.forward_nativedirectly in eager mode with the flag on also left the outputbitwise unchanged (0/40).
The same probe found no prefix-slice batch-invariance failure for vLLM's eager path or
its dim-0-dynamic compile (seeds 0–7, n up to 256). See the C1 PR for the full table and
its scope limits.
What CI will and will not run
As of 2026-10-01 no CI path executes these tests, before or after merge.
main(32b765eand the current1968a87),CI-Pipeline'slintingfails atRun pre-commit hooks, sounit-testsis skipped.Docsfails at both commits too.WS1-chain-GPUandws1-gtest-gpustop atConfigure runpodctl. The cause is steporder, not a recent release:
runpodctl config --apiKey, run as the firstrunpodctlcall on a fresh runner, finds no config file (run 36835086246 logs
'runpodctl config' is deprecatedthenerror saving config, reproduced locally withv2.14.0 on an empty
HOME).ws1-gtest-gpuhas never succeeded: as of 2026-10-01,122 runs (69 failed, 40 skipped, 13
action_required), and its first run (2026-08-19)already failed at this step. A separate fix is being prepared.
gpu-ci(pull_request_targetonly,gpu-ci.yml:4; labelneeds-gpu-ci) uses thesame command (
:50) but runsrunpodctl versionfirst, which creates the configfile, so it got past setup on its last run that reached
RunPod (2026-09-11, run 34585491929) and then failed at
pod create. No run since, sowhether it still gets past setup is unverified. Its
pytest tests/(
ci/run_gpu_ci.sh:133) would also stop at the aiter collection error.ws1-chain-npuwas queued on1968a87and cancelled on32b765e.If those are fixed, the workflows' scripts would run:
ci.yml(needs: linting):tests/test_qwen3_next_norm.pyandrl_engine/tests/test_dispatch.pyon a CPU-only runner, so the CUDA cases skip; thedispatch fallback test does walk the CUDA list there. Not
test_qwen3_next_workload.py.ws1-gtest-gpu.yml: same-repo PRs and push tomain, skipped for fork PRs(
:59); this branch touches its paths. It would run the four Qwen3-Next gates(
ci/run_ws1_gtest.sh:79-88) andtests/test_ws1_gtest_gpu.py, none of the otherpytest files above. It runs on sm_86 (RTX A4000) and sm_90 (H100), not sm_100, under
set -euo pipefailwith the Qwen3-Next stage last, so any earlier failure skips it.ws1-chain-gpu.yml: push and PR tomain/test, nopathsfilter, skipped forfork PRs (
:46); maintainers can dispatch it on a fork's commit (:14-24). Its chainconstructs
RMSNormCudaOpdirectly (rl_engine/alignment/qwen3_dense.py:374-396), soit would execute the plain-kernel input checks this PR adds in
csrc/ops.cpp.gpu-ci.yml: with the collection error fixed, it would collect the CUDA cases butnot the
check_file.Hardware, base and stacking
feat/cuda-qwen3-next-c1-norm, which is onfix/registry-cuda-rmsnorm-dispatch; both must merge first, and this branch containstheir commits.
cf68fd9merges cleanly into the currentupstream/test-qwennext(11cac8c,git merge-tree --write-tree). One further PR builds on this one.Known review items left as they are
sum-of-squares loop,
block_reduce_sumandrsqrtf(rmsnorm.cu:248-259vs:120-131), and the gated dx copies the dot loop (:302-309vs:176-182). Thebitwise
rstdguarantee therefore rests on the 36-case test rather than on sharedcode. A shared device function is a follow-up.
qwen3_next_workload.py:9-18imports sixunderscore-private validators from
ws1_workload, andws1_workload.py:268importsback inside
load_manifestto avoid the import cycle.validate_norm_dimensionscheckshidden != 2048 or head_dim != 128(qwen3_next_workload.py:90), values already present inNORM_OPS(
:37) andFINGERPRINT["linear_value_head_dim"](:31).5eaeca8's andb0f4c5c's messages say their CUDA tests had not yet run on a GPU;the results above supersede them. History on this branch is not rewritten.
None of these changes behavior. They are left for follow-ups, because any commit here
would have to be merged forward into the c6 branch stacked on it.
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