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| FROM nvcr.io/nvidia/nemo:26.04 | ||
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| RUN apt-get update && apt-get install -y --no-install-recommends \ | ||
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| && curl -O https://efa-installer.amazonaws.com/aws-efa-installer-1.47.0.tar.gz \ | ||
| && tar -xf aws-efa-installer-1.47.0.tar.gz \ | ||
| && cd aws-efa-installer \ | ||
| && ./efa_installer.sh -y --skip-kmod --skip-limit-conf --no-verify \ | ||
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| && git clone -b v2.5.1 --depth 1 https://github.com/NVIDIA/gdrcopy.git \ | ||
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| ENV LD_LIBRARY_PATH="/opt/amazon/ofi-nccl/lib:/opt/amazon/efa/lib:${LD_LIBRARY_PATH}" | ||
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| ENV NCCL_TUNER_PLUGIN="/opt/amazon/ofi-nccl/lib/libnccl-tuner-aws-ofi.so" | ||
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| # Qwen3-8B Pre-Training: H200 vs B300 (NeMo/Megatron) | ||||||
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| Pre-training **Qwen3-8B** (8.2B dense parameters) on 1T tokens comparing two GPU generations — p5en.48xlarge (H200) and p6-b300.48xlarge (B300) — using NeMo/Megatron on 2-node / 16-GPU topologies with EFA GDRDMA interconnect. | ||||||
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| ## Results | ||||||
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| | Metric | H200 (p5en) | B300 (p6-b300) | Ratio | | ||||||
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| | **TFLOP/s per GPU** | 497 | **976** | 1.96× | | ||||||
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There was a problem hiding this comment. Choose a reason for hiding this commentThe reason will be displayed to describe this comment to others. Learn more. H200 performance numbers weren't re-measured after the architecture + memory-config change (blocking)The H200 path changed in two ways that both shift throughput, yet every compute figure in this table is byte-identical to round 1:
After both, the H200 column still showing identical
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There was a problem hiding this comment. Choose a reason for hiding this commentThe reason will be displayed to describe this comment to others. Learn more. The results table hasn't been re-measured, and now contradicts the codeEvery compute figure (497/976 TFLOP/s, 162K/318K tok/s, 3.23s/1.65s, MFU 0.50, ~114 GB) is byte-identical to the original submission, across four rounds of materially different configs (FFN 14336→12288, recompute strategy described three different ways, mock→real data, two images→one, NeMo 26.02→26.04). Two consequences:
Could you re-run both columns on the current committed config and update the table (and the 1.96×/1.97× ratios), and either enable the recompute config you describe or drop the claim so the doc matches the code? Stating the scale actually run (and distinguishing smoke-test from research-scale) would help too. |
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| | **Throughput** | 162K tok/s | **318K tok/s** | 1.96× | | ||||||
| | **Time to 1T tokens** | ~71 days | **~36 days** | 1.97× | | ||||||
| | Step time (100 iters) | 3.23s | 1.65s | 1.96× | | ||||||
| | Peak memory/GPU | ~114 GB / 141 GB | ~173 GB / 288 GB | — | | ||||||
| | MFU | 0.50 | 0.50 | — | | ||||||
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| Both clusters are compute-saturated with perfect communication overlap. AllReduce and AllGather are fully hidden behind compute. | ||||||
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| ## Prerequisites | ||||||
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| - **Slurm** workload manager with **PyXis + Enroot** container runtime | ||||||
| - **EFA networking** with GDRDMA support (for multi-node communication) | ||||||
| - **FSx for Lustre** shared filesystem mounted at `/fsx/` | ||||||
| - **Docker** (for building container images) | ||||||
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| > **Don't have a cluster?** Deploy a fully functional HPC cluster in under 1 hour using [Amazon SageMaker HyperPod](https://awslabs.github.io/ai-on-sagemaker-hyperpod/). The guide walks you through deploying a ready-to-use cluster with Slurm, EFA, PyXis/Enroot, and FSx for Lustre pre-configured. | ||||||
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| ## Quick Start | ||||||
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| > **Disk space:** The container build requires ~50 GB of disk space in TMPDIR. | ||||||
| > `enroot import` needs `sudo` and TMPDIR pointing to FSx or another file system (not `/tmp`, which is too small). | ||||||
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| ### Clone this repo and change it its directory | ||||||
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| git clone https://github.com/awslabs/awsome-distributed-ai.git | ||||||
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| ### Prepare datasets (allenai/c4/en) | ||||||
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| # export your Hugging Face token, if you have one | ||||||
| export HF_TOKEN=<your token> | ||||||
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| # Prepare the dataset | ||||||
| sbatch preprocessing/preprocess.sh | ||||||
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| Without your Hugging Face token, the download will be throttled. The script requires a token. | ||||||
| Datasets are tokenized and transformed into binary mmap accessible files to avoid streaming data (`.idx` and `.bin` files). | ||||||
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| ### Build the container | ||||||
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| docker build -t qwen3-8b-pretraining:latest . | ||||||
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| # Setup directories to run | ||||||
| mkdir -p /fsx/tmp && mkdir -p /fsx/ubuntu/qwen3-8b-pretraining/containers/ | ||||||
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| # Create the squash file with Enroot | ||||||
| sudo TMPDIR=/fsx/tmp ENROOT_TEMP_PATH=/fsx/tmp enroot import --output /fsx/ubuntu/qwen3-8b-pretraining/containers/nemo-efa-26.04.sqsh dockerd://qwen3-8b-pretraining:latest | ||||||
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| ### H200 Cluster (2x p5en.48xlarge) | ||||||
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| sbatch slurm/run.sh | ||||||
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| Logs will be written to `/fsx/ubuntu/qwen3-8b-pretraining/logs`. | ||||||
| Checkpoints are saved to `/fsx/ubuntu/qwen3-8b-pretraining/checkpoints`. | ||||||
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| ### B300 Cluster (2x p6-b300.48xlarge) | ||||||
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| Logs will be written to `/fsx/ubuntu/qwen3-8b-pretraining/logs`. | ||||||
| Checkpoints are saved to `/fsx/ubuntu/qwen3-8b-pretraining/checkpoints`. | ||||||
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| ## Model Architecture: Qwen3-8B | ||||||
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| | Parameter | Value | | ||||||
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| | Layers | 36 | | ||||||
| | Hidden dim (d_model) | 4096 | | ||||||
| | Q-heads | 32 | | ||||||
| | KV-heads | 8 (GQA) | | ||||||
| | FFN dim | 12288 (SwiGLU) | | ||||||
| | Vocab size | 151,936 | | ||||||
| | Positional encoding | RoPE | | ||||||
| | Normalization | RMSNorm | | ||||||
| | Sequence length | 4096 | | ||||||
| | Precision | BF16 | | ||||||
| | Total params | 8.2B | | ||||||
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| ## Parallelism Strategy | ||||||
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| **Pure Data Parallelism (DP=16)** — the model fits entirely on a single GPU. | ||||||
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| | Tensor Parallel | 1 | | ||||||
| | Pipeline Parallel | 1 | | ||||||
| | Data Parallel | 16 | | ||||||
| | Distributed Optimizer | Yes (shards Adam states across DP ranks) | | ||||||
| | Overlap Grad Reduce | Yes | | ||||||
| | Overlap Param Gather | Yes | | ||||||
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| **Why TP=1 is optimal:** At 8.2B params, the model + optimizer states fit on one GPU with distributed optimizer. Adding tensor parallelism introduces all-reduce communication for every transformer layer — validated experimentally: TP=2 was 11% slower (868 vs 976 TFLOP/s on B300). | ||||||
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| ## Best Configuration Per Cluster | ||||||
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| | Parameter | H200 (p5en.48xlarge) | B300 (p6-b300.48xlarge) | | ||||||
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| | GPUs | 16× H200 (141 GB HBM3) | 16× B300 (288 GB HBM3e) | | ||||||
| | Parallelism | TP=1, PP=1, DP=16 | TP=1, PP=1, DP=16 | | ||||||
| | **Micro-batch size** | **2** | **4** | | ||||||
| | Global batch size | 128 (grad_accum=4) | 128 (grad_accum=2) | | ||||||
| | Sequence length | 4096 | 4096 | | ||||||
| | Precision | BF16 | BF16 | | ||||||
| | **Gradient checkpointing** | Selective (core_attn only) | Selective (core_attn only) | | ||||||
| | Distributed optimizer | Yes (sharded Adam) | Yes (sharded Adam) | | ||||||
| | Overlap grad reduce | Yes | Yes | | ||||||
| | Overlap param gather| Yes | Yes | | ||||||
| | Framework | Megatron-Bridge (NeMo 26.04) | Megatron-Bridge (NeMo 26.04) | | ||||||
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| ## Key Findings | ||||||
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| 1. **Both clusters are compute-saturated with perfect communication overlap.** AllReduce and AllGather are fully hidden behind compute — verified by single-GPU benchmarks showing lower TFLOP/s due to reduced batch arithmetic intensity. | ||||||
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| 2. **Both clusters use the Megatron-Bridge recipe API.** NeMo 26.04 for both H200 and B300. | ||||||
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| 3. **Pure data parallelism is optimal** when the model fits in single-GPU memory. Distributed optimizer + overlapped grad reduce eliminate the memory penalty. | ||||||
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| 4. **Selective gradient checkpointing used on both clusters:** lightweight core_attn recompute is Megatron-Core's standard behavior, keeping H200 peak at ~114 GB (MBS=2) and B300 at ~173 GB (MBS=4). | ||||||
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| | | H200 Cluster | B300 Cluster | | ||||||
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| | Instance | p5en.48xlarge | p6-b300.48xlarge | | ||||||
| | Nodes | 2 | 2 | | ||||||
| | GPUs per node | 8× H200 | 8× B300 | | ||||||
| | GPU Memory | 141 GB HBM3 | 288 GB HBM3e | | ||||||
| | Interconnect | EFA GDRDMA (3200 Gbps) | EFA GDRDMA (6400 Gbps) | | ||||||
| | Intra-node | NVLink (900 GB/s) | NVLink (1800 GB/s) | | ||||||
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| ├── README.md ← You are here | ||||||
| │ Dockerfile ← NeMo 26.04 + EFA container | ||||||
| ├── h200/ | ||||||
| │ ├── train.py ← Megatron-Bridge training script | ||||||
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| │ └── run.sh ← Slurm submission script | ||||||
| └── b300/ | ||||||
| ├── train.py ← Megatron-Bridge training script | ||||||
| └── slurm/ | ||||||
| └── run.sh ← Slurm submission script | ||||||
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| # Copyright Amazon.com, Inc. or its affiliates. All Rights Reserved. | ||||||
| # SPDX-License-Identifier: MIT-0 | ||||||
| #SBATCH --job-name=qwen3-8b-b300 | ||||||
| #SBATCH --nodes=2 | ||||||
| #SBATCH --ntasks-per-node=8 | ||||||
| #SBATCH --gpus-per-node=8 | ||||||
| #SBATCH --cpus-per-task=12 | ||||||
| #SBATCH --exclusive | ||||||
| #SBATCH --output=/fsx/ubuntu/qwen3-8b-pretraining/logs/%j.out | ||||||
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| # EFA / NCCL environment | ||||||
| export FI_PROVIDER=efa | ||||||
| export NCCL_SOCKET_IFNAME=^docker,lo,veth | ||||||
| export NCCL_DEBUG=WARN | ||||||
| export NCCL_TUNER_PLUGIN=/opt/amazon/ofi-nccl/lib/libnccl-tuner-aws-ofi.so | ||||||
| export LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/opt/amazon/ofi-nccl/lib:/opt/amazon/efa/lib:${LD_LIBRARY_PATH} | ||||||
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| # Launch - Megatron uses SLURM env vars (SLURM_PROCID, SLURM_LOCALID) for distributed init | ||||||
| /opt/slurm/bin/srun --mpi=pmix --container-image=/fsx/ubuntu/qwen3-8b-pretraining/containers/nemo-efa-26.04.sqsh --container-mounts=/fsx:/fsx,/opt/slurm:/opt/slurm --container-env=FI_PROVIDER,NCCL_SOCKET_IFNAME,NCCL_DEBUG,NCCL_TUNER_PLUGIN,LD_LIBRARY_PATH,TORCH_COMPILE_DISABLE python /fsx/ubuntu/awsome-distributed-ai/3.test_cases/megatron/nemo/qwen3-8b-pretraining/h200/train.py | ||||||
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| /opt/slurm/bin/srun --mpi=pmix --container-image=/fsx/ubuntu/qwen3-8b-pretraining/containers/nemo-efa-26.04.sqsh --container-mounts=/fsx:/fsx,/opt/slurm:/opt/slurm --container-env=FI_PROVIDER,NCCL_SOCKET_IFNAME,NCCL_DEBUG,NCCL_TUNER_PLUGIN,LD_LIBRARY_PATH,TORCH_COMPILE_DISABLE python /fsx/ubuntu/awsome-distributed-ai/3.test_cases/megatron/nemo/qwen3-8b-pretraining/h200/train.py | |
| /opt/slurm/bin/srun --mpi=pmix --container-image=/fsx/ubuntu/qwen3-8b-pretraining/containers/nemo-efa-26.04.sqsh --container-mounts=/fsx:/fsx,/opt/slurm:/opt/slurm --container-env=FI_PROVIDER,NCCL_SOCKET_IFNAME,NCCL_DEBUG,NCCL_TUNER_PLUGIN,LD_LIBRARY_PATH,TORCH_COMPILE_DISABLE python /fsx/ubuntu/awsome-distributed-ai/3.test_cases/megatron/nemo/qwen3-8b-pretraining/b300/train.py |
(Separately, that /fsx/ubuntu/awsome-distributed-ai/... path is hardcoded and doesn't match the README's git clone … && cd step — see Batch 5.)
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| # Copyright Amazon.com, Inc. or its affiliates. All Rights Reserved. | ||||||||||||
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| """Qwen3-8B Pre-Training on B300 — Megatron-Bridge (NeMo 26.02) | ||||||||||||
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| Best config: TP=1, PP=1, DP=16, MBS=4, GBS=128, seq=4096, BF16 | ||||||||||||
| Result: 976 TFLOP/s/GPU, 318K tok/s on 16x B300 | ||||||||||||
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| cfg = qwen3_8b_pretrain_config( | |
| cfg = qwen3_8b_pretrain_config() | |
| cfg.model.tensor_model_parallel_size = 1 | |
| cfg.model.pipeline_model_parallel_size = 1 | |
| # set micro/global batch, seq_length, train_iters on cfg.* per the ConfigContainer |
The same fix applies to h200/train.py — though the NeMo-Run recommendation in the review summary avoids hand-rolling this entirely.
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No, I will not use NeMo run.sh for both. Even though they are essentially the same run.sh script , they can be tuned for each platform.
the same goes with the train.py script, which clearly has different parametrisation based on each hardware type.
The only recommendation I addressed was cereating a single container for both clusters. Both use a NeMo 26.04 NGC container, so the build happens only. And both uses the same preprocessing script since they require the same dataset.
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b300/train.py still uses the kwargs call that crashes (blocking)
b300/train.py wasn't updated when h200 was fixed — it still calls the recipe with arguments:
cfg = qwen3_8b_pretrain_config(mock=True, tensor_model_parallel_size=1, micro_batch_size=4, …)The recipe takes no arguments (returns a ConfigContainer you mutate). One-line repro against this PR's pinned image:
docker run --rm --entrypoint python3 nvcr.io/nvidia/nemo:26.04 -c "from megatron.bridge.recipes.qwen.qwen3 import qwen3_8b_pretrain_config; qwen3_8b_pretrain_config(mock=True)"
# TypeError: qwen3_8b_pretrain_config() got an unexpected keyword argument 'mock'(verified on nemo:26.04; the bare qwen3_8b_pretrain_config() returns a ConfigContainer.) So once run.sh is repointed (above), the B300 job fails at the constructor. Please mirror h200/train.py: call it bare, then set cfg.model.tensor_model_parallel_size, cfg.train.micro_batch_size = 4, etc. While doing so, reconcile attribute names with h200 — b300 uses cfg.train.eval_interval/cfg.train.dir where h200 uses cfg.validation.eval_interval/cfg.checkpoint.save; at most one set is correct (h200's is the path I validated live).
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| export NCCL_TUNER_PLUGIN=/opt/amazon/ofi-nccl/lib/libnccl-tuner-aws-ofi.so | ||
| export LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/opt/amazon/ofi-nccl/lib:/opt/amazon/efa/lib:${LD_LIBRARY_PATH} | ||
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Please update to 1.48.0