notes from taginfo

1.5k uses, usage is not worldwide

The wiki article created in 2015 is ok There was no proposal but some discussion in 2013. The nearly empty article tourism=resort should probably point to this tag.

RU:Tag:leisure=resort provides more information about additional sub classes. We would tag these objects, as they were requested by users (pre Oct 2015) and still functional. The only question is uniform tagging.

Most of them have nothing to do with hotels/motels/hostels, in sense you wouldn't visit leisure=resort + resort=kids_camp as adult, unless your children attended there.

You wouldn't visit other leisure objects unless your are ill/old/other reason irrelevant to an ordinary/adult tourism and so on.

re @pnorman I don't think that mostly outdoor facilities dedicated to children resorts leisure=resort + resort=kids_camp ("детский лагерь") can have global coverage. Not many countries make such distinction, am I wrong?

Wikipedia says that they are present at least in some other countries: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Summer_camp#Around_the_world but are they used?

In Canada, summer camps are very popular. About 70% of Canadian camps tend to be affiliated with organizations, while the rest are private.

The American Camp Association (ACA) reports that there are about 7,000 overnight camps and about 5,000 day camps in the U.S., for a total of more than 12,000 camps.

They're present around the world and used, but leisure=resort is mainly used in one area.

They are concentrated around Europe, but they are also tagged all around the world, so it looks OK for me. I would render them just like other leisure/sport areas.

I'd see them more tourism-oriented, thus looking towards camp-sites as in the first post might be better than leisure/sport which is more everyday activities.

We could also go a step forward and consider all campuses for touristic accommodation, hotel, resort, hostel etc, see #1624 (accommodation).

I'd imagine a blue outline (similar to the brown for theme_parks)

Makes sense for me.

Here are some experiments, using the code for theme_park in the blue from accommodation icons.
Current (has recreation_ground and barrier):

Blue outline, recreation_ground and barrier on:

Blue outline, recreation_ground off, and barrier on:

Blue outline, recreation_ground off, and barrier really off:

I don't see a difference with barrier on or off, maybe the outline covers the barrier line?
edit: Barrier was not fully switched off. Fixed.

Conflicts with maritime features need to be checked.

It looks interesting, it's worth checking.

leisure=marina comes into mind, however it encloses a water body, and it is a different blue

There seems to be no specific rendering of general harbours.

For me this is different enough.

Ok, so should we apply this to all campuses of

• leisure=resort|beach_resort (4k,3k)
• tourism=hotel|hostel|camp_site|caravan_site|motel|chalet|summer_camp|resort (278k,36k,88k,22k,36k,33k,7,493)
  ?

I think yes in general.

I don't see a difference with barrier on or off, maybe the outline covers the barrier line?

We should check it with zoo, probably this problem is there already.

Code seems fine, I made some code tests with thick red fences. However the red blends with the tourism or accommodation colour. This is the same if I put the outline code before or after the barrier code, despite only the outline has opacity? Shouldn't the solid red paint clearly over, or would that have to be in a different file?
Anyway, so the normal 0.4 grey fences are probably just too weak in the outline to be visible.

I learnt that in the earlier tests, barrier was not really off, since the fence being a closed line, when the object also has an area (landuse?) tag, becomes an area_barrier.
There is a subtle difference now visible in the with/without barrier comparison.

Since the outline code uses opacity, we get a few blending effects so that needs to be tested with different landuse backgrounds.

I'm not sure if we need two lines in the first place. I guess they are good for really big areas, where you want to know what is inside and what is outside (like natural parks), but accommodation areas should be much smaller and light blue (even thinner than currently) could be enough.

Only one line, width=2, no opacity (avoids problems with changing landuse like commercial etc):
z16

z18

And brown for museums: (z18 width=2 amenity-brown)

Both are looking very nice for me. Things to check and decide:

1. What about the barrier visibility?
2. How do they compare to the river/stream and track (with tracktype=grade1) respectively?

I think tourism=resort shouldn't be included, because both leisure=resort and leisure=beach_resort have more uses and are advised instead on the wiki.

Flooding the roads as streams and rivers:
z15

z17

z19

Barrier tests, z19
blue line width=2 offset =-1

offset=-1.5 improves barrier, but without you see 0.5 width of the landuse behind when no barrier is tagged.

Making the offset conditional on the existence of a barrier might be tricky since only parts of the outline might have a fence.

Trying a lighter colour for the outline (as in museum tests).
z18, outline colour equals icon colour:

z18, outline colour 17% lighter than icon, with barrier:

z18, outline colour 17% lighter than icon, without barrier:

So far, barriers were rendered before the tourism outlines. The latter need to be moved up in the project.mml so barriers draw over them.
This will improve the current theme_park as well, ill show later.

Probably I can come back to the outline tests the following weeks.

I suspect usage would be even higher if it rendered - I'm aware of a few places tagged tourism=resort or tourism=attraction where leisure=resort looks like it might be appropriate.

Yes of course, that's the intention.

https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/562255930 invisible in any layer.

Yes, that's why the ticket is still open.

I'm wondering if the world's largest resorts show up in OSM...

Hmmm, looking at
https://www.touristmaker.com/blog/the-largest-resorts-in-the-world/
they mean resort towns.

https://www.cntraveler.com/gallery/best-resorts-in-the-world
are more like the resorts I'm thinking of.

Anyway let's first check if Club Med shows up...
https://www.openstreetmap.org/search?query=Club%20Med all not resorts...

Yes, that's why the ticket is still open.

Yes, in general commenting in opened issues (because issue was not yet fixed) that issue remains unfixed is not useful.

openstreetmap.org/way/562255930 invisible in any layer.

Also, in this particular case it seems to be a mistagged feature anyway.

I'm wondering if the world's largest resorts show up in OSM...

I am not sire why you thought that this information is useful at all. leisure=resort is not rendered, so checking it in other places is not going to reveal anything interesting on this topic.

Also, in this particular case it seems to be a mistagged feature anyway.

OK I retagged it, based on their Facebook category. Thanks.

Current taginfo for leisure=resort:

Nearly 10K uses.

I wonder if even the most famous are on the map. Trump has one too in Florida...

Can anyone suggest a possible workaround until this is implemented? leisure=resort + landuse=recreation_ground ? Anything at all?

13,7K uses... https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/search?q=leisure%3Dresort

Maybe it's time to add rendering of leisure=resort to Carto?

Yes, there are a lot of resorts in the database, but they are not rendered still.

Let's do it at least in 2022! Before the new summer season came — let's render all resorts…

what's the consensus so far?

• the tag should be rendered (nobody opposed and it is widely used)
• label and icon color = accommodation blue

what's still to decide?

• fill and/or outline? what color?
• specific icon ? ==>usefull also for resort as node

Personnal comments:
I find the blue outline or filling disturbing as it is usally used by water element.
Just an outline is fine as it doesn't interfere with landuse (for example some resort are cabins in the woods)
I'd go with the same line colour and style as theme_park, but it might be weird if the label+icon and line are not the same color?

For the icon, I'd suggest something with a few houses stacked together

This is an open discussion - anyone is welcome to present ideas and arguments. But please understand that the presence of certain ideas in the discussion here (or the lack of critique of them) is not an indication of consensus. A decision will only be made based on a concrete pull request.

I have not formed an opinion so far on this - nor do i have a clear understanding of what leisure=resort is de facto used for in OSM. The wiki is decidedly non-helpful on that, it is vague and self contradicting. Pages in different languages indicate that the tag might be used for semantically very different things in different parts of the world.

I didn't intend to stop the discussion, but rather to ask id these two points where indeed consensual and see if it was possible to move to other points that where lacking to be able to make a satsifying pull-request

I think a quick win here (based on my understanding of what leisure=resort means in OSM) would be to render like a tourism=camp_site but with the tourism=chalet icon instead of the tent.

I think this at least would get this well-used tag rendered and gives at least some idea of what it is.

I have added the tag to a building, then moved it to a point on the building.
Neither were rendered.
Purpose was to display the name.

Frustrating, as so often.
Please do something with it.

I map for the users.
No rendering = no use.

@BertMule this issue is still open because no one has designed a suitable rendering or submitted a PR (pull request).

All work on this map style is done by unpaid volunteers, and anyone is welcome to submit new rendering ideas and requests.

See https://github.com/gravitystorm/openstreetmap-carto/blob/master/CONTRIBUTING.md for how to contribute a new PR, if you have the time.

I have a couple of suggestions for how this could be moved towards an acceptable PR and would appreciate feedback.
Although the meaning of resort is broad, it indicates accommodation and leisure facilities. The symbol could be the hotel/motel bed combined with the beach resort parasol. Not all resorts will have parasols but I think it's figurative enough.
Alternatively just render a name? These are often quite large areas that currently appear missing, which doesn't help mappers.

I was just looking at resort areas and found them hard to distinguish without representation. I would love to see borders of resorts, all inclusive clubs, etc. rendered on the map. I see this as a safety and awareness thing as much as a visual appeal.