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clarification of area type definitions needed #246
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Dear Karl Thanks for drafting these new definitions. It's surprisingly difficult when you consider it in detail! I agree that the distinction between The Mediterranean Sea might be the biggest example. Because the Straits of Gibraltar are narrow, not all models connect the Mediterranean dynamically to the world ocean. However, I don't think anyone would describe the Mediterranean as a "lake", or the area occupied by the Mediterranean as "land", even in a model, would they? In contrast, although the Caspian Sea is not usually called a lake, it is more natural to describe it as such. Wikipedia says it can be described as the world's largest lake, for instance. Therefore, instead of the paragraph "In climate models, ...", I feel it would be better to define the classification of
Possibly it might sound circular to define sea in terms of sea level, but I think it's reasonable. More precisely, you might say
Is that too obscure? The global ocean is a dynamically connected body of water, whose volume is equal to the volume contained between the geoid and the sea floor. If it was at rest, which is impossible because it contains density contrasts and experiences windstress, mean sea level everywhere in the sea would coincide with the geoid, which is a geopotential surface i.e. "flat" in a geophysical sense. This includes the Mediterranean, but it does not include the Caspian Sea, or any inland water bodies (lakes, rivers, etc.), whose time-mean surface level is unrelated to the geoid. It depends on the altitude of their bed and the amount of water they contain, as well as their dynamics. I would say that "marginal seas" are part of the global I agree that ice shelves are land if you consider their bulk properties (because they're land ice, like glaciers) or when you are looking from above, at the nature of their surface and surface fluxes, but sea if you consider their interaction with the ocean. I'm unsure about "In climate models, if the water below an ice shelf is excluded from directly interacting with the world oceans, that water is considered to belong to the land area type." Considering the water below an ice shelf is a view from below, so the sub-ice-shelf area should be Best wishes Jonathan |
26 January 2025
Many of the CF area type options have no "description" or need clarification, and I'm pretty sure that in some cases, interpretation of the "types" is not obvious. In requesting model output for CMIP, we want all models to interpret the area types in the same way, so I have come up with the the following interpretations, and wonder if we might formally adopt these in the conventions:
sea
: the description currently reads:Proposed new description:
[Note that the current CF description of "sea" leaves out "floating_ice_shelves."]
land
: the description currently reads:Proposed new description:
sea_ice
: the description currently reads:Proposed new description (eliminate last sentence because type "sea" is described elsewhere and "sea" may include "floating_ice_shelf":
floating_ice_shelf
: the description currently reads:Proposed new description:
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