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Support for "gift to spouse" action type #510
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I think it would be an useful feature to support. Although I believe you need to handle both sending and receiving the shares, it's likely both people will be using the tool.
I don't have transaction of these sorts so any help for implementing this would be appreciated. |
This adds a new action type, as TRANSFER seems to deal with money transfers rather than share transfers, and SALEs also involve money whereas gifted shares do not. The calculation code will raise a NotImplementedError if it encounters one of these transactions. This may help KapJI#510.
This adds a new action type, as TRANSFER seems to deal with money transfers rather than share transfers, and SALEs also involve money whereas gifted shares do not. The calculation code will raise a NotImplementedError if it encounters one of these transactions. This may help KapJI#510. This contribution has been developed in my spare time.
This adds a new action type, as TRANSFER seems to deal with money transfers rather than share transfers, and SALEs also involve money whereas gifted shares do not. The calculation code will raise a NotImplementedError if it encounters one of these transactions. This may help KapJI#510. This contribution has been developed in my spare time.
This adds a new action type, as TRANSFER seems to deal with money transfers rather than share transfers, and SALEs also involve money whereas gifted shares do not. The calculation code will raise a NotImplementedError if it encounters one of these transactions. This may help KapJI#510. This contribution has been developed in my spare time.
It add support for transfers to spouse that have no GCT implications (if legally married and living together). It just reduces the Section 104. This should fix KapJI#510
It add support for transfers to spouse that have no GCT implications (if legally married and living together). It just reduces the Section 104. This should fix KapJI#510
I was looking into that and came to the same conclusions. Transfering to spouse should not be a subject to matching rules, only reduces the Section 104 (based on https://community.hmrc.gov.uk/customerforums/cgt/cd55f761-e320-ef11-a81c-0022481b5e57). I have created a patch for that. I have such a transaction but only use the raw format so haven't added it for other broakers. Regarding receiving shares I am not fully clear whether it is subject to the same day and B&B rules. Some time ago I saw a post on the forum which implied it is, but when I checked again now that post is gone, so maybe it was wrong. Otherwise getting the quantity and value will be easy as it will be the same as the quantity and value that was removed from partner's Section 104. |
Are you 100% sure about that? In another popular tool to compute CGT they say the following about transfers to spouse: https://www.cgtcalculator.com/example7.htm
In the above link, which leads to ADVFN forum, they argue that the transfer to spouse is still a "disposal" even though a special one where there's no gain nor loss:
(Note I'm neither a financial nor tax advisor, i'm just a user like you interested in understanding how this works) |
I am not financial or tax advisor too, but this answer is from offical HMRC forum and it looks like it was answered by someone from HMRC:
I agree this contradicts the example you linked in https://www.cgtcalculator.com/example7.htm. Wondering if this information is verified by a tax advisor or someone from HMRC. I think the post in ADVFN could also be written by anyone. I believe another reason why treating it as a disposal may not make sense is in the situation where you dispose and sell shares in the same day. Based on the CG51560 you should treat that as a single transaction:
But you can't pool them together into a single transaction because part of it creates chargeable gain and another not. Which complicates further same day and B&B matching. Here is another question about this in HMRC forum: https://community.hmrc.gov.uk/customerforums/cgt/74839f45-ef0a-ef11-a81c-002248c8d5a8 but they didn't provide a clear answer. I think this problem also may be the reason why the cgtcalculator tool doesn't allow this case, from https://www.cgtcalculator.com/example7.htm:
But nothing prevents me from doing such a transaction in the real world so it must be possible to calculate it. But as I mentioned I don't work in this area and I cannot be 100% sure. So to be safe it may be a good idea to double check with a tax advisor. |
Is there a consideration to support gifts to spouse as a separate action?
I guess standard gifts are equivalent to selling shares. But giving to a spouse, despite not having tax implications, reduces Section 104. I don't see how to input that transaction at least as a raw input.
Skipping that transaction would lead to incorrect results causing this application cannot be used in such scenarios.
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