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Campaign proposal: Write an open review for lesser known scientists #28
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Re: the rationale text Re: where to draft the rationale |
Thank you @willjharrison @CooperSmout for starting this campaign. To get more info about how PREreview preprint review platform works, folks can refer to this page. If anyone needs assistance with creating a profile, searching for the preprint to review, and/or review it, I'm here to help. Thanks everyone! |
Great campaign! Just a quick question---is PREreview open to articles outside bio/med field now? I really like the platform and the vision, but I do not seem to see papers in psychology etc. |
You could make this a bit more explicit by requiring something like: the lead or senior author is a student, postdoc or junior PI (at least at the time of pre-print submission). |
Yep, it should be able to find any preprint now, but you need to add it to the system first. Go to the platform, click 'Add PREreview', enter the DOI you're interested in, and it should bring up the preprint. Then you just need to either request a review or add a review for the system to recognise it. |
Thanks! So, I believe this campaign (if successful) can potentially encourage less-famous researchers to submit papers. The successful activation of this pledge means the availability of reviewers. I agree with @gavinscode 's point on clarifying more about what "lesser-known" means. The current proposal gives an example of "not recognizing an author". Perhaps, adding more examples would clarify things a bit? |
I like this idea, because it's (1) clearly identifiable, and (2) speaks to the type of attention bias we want to counteract. I also don't think it's pushing in an undesirable direction -- actually the opposite, because it would be serving to counteract the attention bias that high H-index authors normally benefit from. |
Yeah, I suppose what I meant by undesirable direction was using quantitative metrics to evaluate research quality/prestige. But you are right @CooperSmout - aiming to be inclusive of researchers who have low scores on metrics that are typically considered important could actually work to subvert the undesirable aspects of the metric, like Mathew's effect, Goodhart's law, etc. |
Thanks everyone for this discussion. I was part of the team that worked on the hiddenpreprints project and always thought one day we would have included something like the "shadow index" in the search within PREreview, but we have not yet done it. It would be so great to be able to show the "visibility" of the preprint when reviewing it as a way to inform the reader and reviewer about it and potentially provide suggestions on how to boost visibility of that preprint and the PREreview as a way to bring more equity to the process. |
I saw that this discussion at ASAPBio also talks about highlighting less visible preprints https://asapbio.org/feedbackasap#1623332548545-4525cf52-291e |
Sorry I have taken so long to respond, folks. Thanks for your feedback so far. I like the idea of using the heuristic that the lead and senior author both have an H-index < 10. I don't think though that it should be made concrete in the pledge per se, because a goal is to increase use of the PREreview platform. As long as people are "doing their best", then I think the general spirit of the broader goals are fulfilled. In an extreme case, if someone reviews for an author whose H-index is 100, it'll still hopefully benefit PREreview and openness of reviews (potentially more so, by raising the profile with Prof Fancy Pants' name). |
@willjharrison i agree with that -- so perhaps the only 'concrete' requirement should be that people post a PREreview (of any kind), but we can stress that people should try to focus on lesser known scientists using one of a number of criteria (beginning with the H-index idea and other ideas in the ASAPBio blog). Then when people complete their pledge, we could either check these criteria ourselves, or get people to indicate which criteria they followed when they post their review. |
haha thankyou for disclosing your conflict of interest ;) |
I think another potential issue with metrics like an h-index below 10, is that might be difficult to know for a lot of people. Not everyone links all of their work through things like Google Scholar or ORCID. So I guess this is just to say that making it not a 'concrete' requirement makes sense to me. |
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