Audio Transformer

[Beppi4U]

Hi! Are these little audio transformers, on the PCB, connected between Mp3Module and amp or between amp and speaker(so i guessed)?!
Happy new year and thanks!

[Rainer-G]

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[petervflocke]

Hi Andy, look at the schematic attached, the transformers are between the MP3 Module ( VS_out in the schematic ) and the amplifieer ( PAM in the schematic ). VREF and Pin 2 of the PAM ( solid lines ) must not be connected!

Hello @Rainer-G, where I can find the schematic? There is just a simple list of connections in the ESP32-radio.pdf file.
Saying MP3 Module have you meant vs1053? I cannot find there VS_out pin. On the PAM 8403 (link) you mean pin 8 VRF and pin2 PGND? Is it necessary to break the existing connection?

Your assistance is very much appreciated.
Cheers
Peter

[Rainer-G]

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[petervflocke]

Hi Rainer, thanks for your quick response. I see you use the PAM8610 not the simple one PAM8403, that clarifies my doubt.
You just separated with the transformer audio-out at MP3 with audio-in at the amplifier side, no additional filters or whatsoever.

As you answered via an email, I believe, github removes all attachments, that the reason we do not see any attachments.

Thanks and best regards
P.

[Beppi4U]

Hallo! Sorry für die späte Rückmeldung! Ich versuchs mal auf Deutsch auch wenn das etwas gegen die Regeln ist!
Ich habe an meinem mp3 modul den 3.5mm Ausgang auf der Rückseite der Platine mit kabeln angezapft! Da hab ich Gnd , linker und rechter Kanal. Meine Frage wäre wie ich die jetzt mit den Transformern verschalten muss?? Der Amp bekomt seine Spannung nicht vom esp32 hängt aber an der gleichen Quelle! Eventuell kommen die BrummStörungen schon vom Netzteil rüber....
Gruß
Andi

[Edzelf]

Als je een gescheiden voeding hebt voor de versterker, dan moet de GND van de versterker niet verbinden met de GND van de ESP32, maar met de common van de 3.5 aansluiting. Geen trafo's nodig dus.

[petervflocke]

Der Amp bekomt seine Spannung nicht vom esp32 hängt aber an der gleichen Quelle! Eventuell kommen die BrummStörungen schon vom Netzteil rüber....

Hi Andi,
If you have a common ground (GND) for MP3 and amplifier it does not make IMHO any sense to use transformers. You use them to isolate the grounds. See the documentation capitel "Amplifier and power circuit." there you have two power sources with a separated gnd during operations. The potential distortions may come not only from power supply but also from ESP and mp3.

[dheydeck]

Just for the sake of clarity regarding grounding the output from the VS1053- see https://learn.sparkfun.com/tutorials/mp3-player-shield-hookup-guide-v15: To quote:

the signals coming from the VS1053 are DC coupled. This means that the alternating-current (AC) audio signals are riding on top of a 1.25 V DC offset.

In spite of the "G" in it's name, GBUF is not ground - in the pin descriptions, the datasheet specifically warns us "Common buffer for headphones, do NOT connect to ground!"

This may not be relevant in this particular case, but may be of value for anyone searching on whether the VS1053 output can be grounded. Rather, isolating transformers or capacitors should be used. I have a VS1053 board of the type commonly available from Internet vendors and have measured the voltage- 1.25V- between the DGND input pin and output jack sleeve, which might be expected to be grounded. The current VS1035 board made by Adafruit has isolating capacitors installed.

[Beppi4U]

Got the Audio Transformers in the Mail....so quick soldering a little board aaaaand! The result is much better than before! Have to reasemble my toaster radio and close holes! Will present a video when its done! Thanks everybody for helping me! Andi

[garbo5005]

I apologize this is off topic but what is the graphics on the display, looks like a equalizer graph?

[Beppi4U]

Just go for searching ' lotfi spectrum analyzer ' or ' lotfi esp32 radio equalizer ' ....just a few lines of code to add on the original sketch! Greetings
Andi

[petervflocke]

@garbo5005: https://github.com/blotfi/ESP32-Radio-with-Spectrum-analyzer