Allow students to unsubmit missions

[ssyberg]

I get 10+ requests a week from students who accidentally submitted a mission for me to go in and unsubmit, would really love it if they could do this themselves. As it stands, I see no benefit in controlling this (at least until graded, perhaps a "Start Grading" button could lock it?).

[benleong]

We want to avoid students changing their submissions while we're in the
midst of grading the assignment.

This happens a lot to us in the beginning, but if you threaten to penalize
them, after a while, they wise up.

On Tue, Oct 13, 2015 at 11:14 PM, Seth Syberg notifications@github.com
wrote:

I get 10+ requests a week from students who accidentally submitted a
mission for me to go in and unsubmit, would really love it if they could do
this themselves. As it stands, I see no benefit in controlling this (at
least until graded, perhaps a "Start Grading" button could lock it?).

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[ssyberg]

I guess I feel like an active locking mechanism controlled by the instructor makes more sense here (like the "Start Grading" button I mention above).

[benleong]

We are in the midst of doing a massive ground-up re-write of Coursemology
and we have been doing this since Jun 2014.

As such, we will not be adding new features to the current platform, but
will only be doing minor bug fixes.

Certainly not a problem to allow the instructor to decide if students can
unsubmit their submissions in v2. For now, we ask for your kind indulgence.

We're hoping to launch v2 by Dec 2015.

On Tue, Oct 13, 2015 at 11:16 PM, Ben Leong benleong@comp.nus.edu.sg
wrote:

We want to avoid students changing their submissions while we're in the
midst of grading the assignment.

This happens a lot to us in the beginning, but if you threaten to penalize
them, after a while, they wise up.

On Tue, Oct 13, 2015 at 11:14 PM, Seth Syberg notifications@github.com
wrote:

I get 10+ requests a week from students who accidentally submitted a
mission for me to go in and unsubmit, would really love it if they could do
this themselves. As it stands, I see no benefit in controlling this (at
least until graded, perhaps a "Start Grading" button could lock it?).

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[ssyberg]

Good to hear it! Thanks for the quick response!

[allenwq]

I think another reason is that it defeats the purpose of assessments dependencies. Some assessments are locked unless students finish the dependent ones.

[benleong]

Yes, that's another reason. I forgot about that.

You are right! ;-)

On Tue, Oct 13, 2015 at 11:36 PM, WANG QIANG notifications@github.com
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I think another reason is that it defeats the purpose of assessments
dependencies. Some assessments are locked unless students finish the
dependent ones.

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[lowjoel]

To elaborate: we can't allow students to unsubmit their own submissions because that would allow abuse of the dependencies. Assume assessment B depends on assessment A. If we allow student unsubmissions, and student submits A, then attempts B, and subsequently unsubmits A, he would be able to continue attempting B anything else depending on B.

I'm inclined towards not allowing this scenario. Thoughts?

[ssyberg]

I don't use the dependency system at all so it's not really applicable to me personally, but perhaps I'm in the minority. I guess it would be nice if it was an option, but I know that could be a lot of work.

[ssyberg]

Just wanted to bump this. I still get about 10-20 un-submit requests a week, it's pretty time consuming...

[allenwq]

I am not sure if this is a common case because I didn't receive any complaints from other courses. There's a confirmation message that tells them the action is irreversible, may I check with you why they still ask for un-submitting after seeing the message?

BTW, Coursemology v1 has stopped development, new features will be implemented in V2 instead (https://beta.coursemology.org).

[ssyberg]

Something happens in the forum, or they learn something new in class, or
they just realize they made a mistake and they need to go and fix it,
not sure why it's so common really, but it happens a lot. Again if I'm
the only one then I wouldn't ask anyone to code a feature just for me!
Thanks for your consideration.

Would love to transition my courses to the beta after this semester is out!

On 10/31/2016 11:01 PM, ALLEN WANG wrote:

I am not sure if this is a common case because I didn't receive any
complaints from other courses. There's a confirmation message that
tells them the action is irreversible, may I check with you why they
still ask for un-submitting after seeing the message?

BTW, Coursemology v1 has stopped development, new features will be
implemented in V2 instead (https://beta.coursemology.org).

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[allenwq]

I see. In our case, 90% of the submissions are graded within 1 day (some TAs even have the average grading time of 1 hour). So I think there's not much time left for students to learn new things or realise the mistake after they have submitted.

Sure, let's see if we can find a way to deal with this for you in v2. Thanks !

[ssyberg]

I think my issue is students submitting early

On 10/31/2016 11:22 PM, ALLEN WANG wrote:

I see. In our case, 90% of the submissions are graded within 1 day
(some TAs even have the average grading time of 1 hour). So I think
there's not much time left for students to learn new things or realise
the mistake after they have submitted.

Sure, let's see if we can find a way to deal with this for you in v2.
Thanks !

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[allenwq]

Yah, students will submit early since they want to get on top of the leaderboard, but TAs will grade early as well.