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<hr/><span class="date">Apr-30-2009:</span> <a class="ext" href="http://Answers.com/topic/labor-theory-of-value">Answers.com/topic/labor-theory-of-value</a> says<br/>
<span class="quot">"'The labour theory of value was fully developed by classical <a href="econ.htm">econ</a>omists, especially David Ricardo and Marx. Ricardo argued that the <a href="pric.htm">pric</a>e <small>(strictly, the exchange-value)</small> of a good was in <a href="ide.htm">ide</a>al conditions determined by the quantity of labour that had gone into <a href="produc.htm">produc</a>ing it <small>(including <a href="produc.htm">produc</a>ing the capital goods that helped to <a href="produc.htm">produc</a>e it)</small>. Marx argued that this was the <a href="pric.htm">pric</a>e the <a href="work.htm">work</a>er deserved to get <small>(thus <a href="mak.htm">mak</a>ing an unspoken connection with Locke before him and, paradoxically, with Nozick after him)</small>. However, the <a href="work.htm">work</a>er actually tended to get only enough wages to keep him at <a href="work.htm">work</a> and capable of <a href="produc.htm">produc</a>ing children. The <a href="diff.htm">diff</a>erence between the two was the <a href="work.htm">work</a>er's surplus value. Under capitalism, surplus value was unjustly ap<a href="prop.htm">prop</a>riated by capitalists; under socialism it would belong to the <a href="work.htm">work</a>ers, as in the classically Marxist formula of Clause IV: 4 of the Labour <a href="part.htm">Part</a>y constitution <small>(1918-95)</small>, which defined its <a href="obj.htm">obj</a>ective as being "to secure for the <a href="work.htm">work</a>ers . . . the full fruits of their industry".<br/>
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The labour theory of value takes no account of the role of demand in setting <a href="pric.htm">pric</a>es. Two labourers may burn up the <a href="ide.htm">ide</a>ntical number of calories in breaking up <a href="ide.htm">ide</a>ntical volumes of ore that they have mined on the common. But if one yields iron and the other silver, they will not fetch the same <a href="pric.htm">pric</a>e.<br/>
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<hr/><span class="date">Apr-30-2009:</span> <a class="ext" href="http://CommunityForge.net">CommunityForge.net</a> <span class="quot2">>>Community Forge is here to help middle class local communities adjust and re-organise for some of the dystopias that we may be heading for. We believe communities should be taking the initiative, organising themselves, providing their <a href="own.htm">own</a> services, managing their <a href="own.htm">own</a> <a href="econ.htm">econ</a>omies, energy supplies & communications.</span><br/>
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<hr/><span class="date">Apr-30-2009:</span> Posted as an explanation for my subscription to <a class="ext" href="http://Groups.Google.com/group/ofcs">Groups.Google.com/group/ofcs</a>:<br/>
<span class="quot">"'I am <a href="work.htm">work</a>ing on an alternate <a href="mod.htm">Mod</a>e of <a href="produc.htm">Produc</a>tion, it's accompanying <a href="curr.htm">curr</a>ency and a detailed plan of implementation within our <a href="curr.htm">curr</a>ent system.<br/>
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The high-level goal is to help Consumers <a href="co-own.htm">co-own</a> the Means of <a href="produc.htm">Produc</a>tion required for the Goods and Services they need.<br/>
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This is, of course, in striking contrast to the <a href="trad.htm">trad</a>itional approach which assumes the <a href="work.htm">Work</a>ers must organize and <a href="own.htm">own</a> the Means of <a href="produc.htm">Produc</a>tion <small>(<a href="sourc.htm">Sourc</a>es)</small>.<br/>
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This distinction is not arbitrary, and the effects are profound.<br/>
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When the Consumer of any <a href="obj.htm">Obj</a>ect <small>(let's say an apple)</small> happens also to be the <a href="own.htm">Own</a>er of the <a href="sourc.htm">Sourc</a>es <small>(apple tree, <a href="land.htm">land</a>, water-rights, tools for pruning and harvesting, etc.)</small> of that <a href="obj.htm">Obj</a>ect, then he must <a href="pay.htm">pay</a> Wages to anyone he might hire, but he does not <a href="pay.htm">pay</a> <a href="profit.htm">Profit</a>, for who would he <a href="pay.htm">pay</a> it to? <a href="profit.htm">Profit</a> is appa<a href="rent.htm">rent</a>ly undefined in this special case.<br/>
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But if we want to guarantee such an arrangement continues - so that ALL future consumers who arrive late can also gain the <a href="own.htm">own</a>ership they need to control their destiny - then we must treat any <a href="profit.htm">Profit</a> that <a href="curr.htm">curr</a>ent-<a href="own.htm">own</a>ers might charge against those future Consumers <small>(who do not yet have enough <a href="sourc.htm">Sourc</a>e <a href="own.htm">own</a>ership to '<a href="protect.htm">protect</a>' themselves from being charged <a href="profit.htm">Profit</a>)</small> - we must treat that <a href="pric.htm">pric</a>e above <a href="cost.htm">cost</a> as an investment from the Consumer who paid toward even *MORE* <a href="sourc.htm">Sourc</a>es of <a href="produc.htm">Produc</a>tion so they <small>(the <a href="new.htm">new</a>, late-arriving Consumers)</small> also <a href="work.htm">work</a> their way toward <a href="sourc.htm">Sourc</a>e <a href="own.htm">own</a>ership.<br/>
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The <a href="curr.htm">curr</a>ency <small>(I call <a href="gnurho.htm">GNUrho</a>)</small> is not quite solidified, but is <a href="curr.htm">curr</a>ently based on the <a href="ide.htm">ide</a>a that the receipt given to the <a href="pay.htm">pay</a>ing customer is actually a <a href="title.htm">Title</a> or Deed of <a href="own.htm">Own</a>ership signifying the <a href="sourc.htm">Sourc</a>es that will be purchased in his name, and the vesting date of that investment. We can also think of this <a href="own.htm">own</a>ership as 'shares' or '<a href="stock.htm">stock</a>', but not in the usual, Capitalistic manner, for the <a href="own.htm">own</a>er never receives any <a href="profit.htm">profit</a> paid by anyone else, but instead receives the "at <a href="cost.htm">cost</a>" <a href="produc.htm">Produc</a>ts <small>(<a href="obj.htm">Obj</a>ects)</small> of that investment as his return.<br/>
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For instance, let's say you purchase a hamburger from such an organization for $5 but the total actual <a href="cost.htm">cost</a>s for delivery <small>(including all wages)</small> is only $3.50. In this case, the organization will charge you the full $5, and the <a href="pric.htm">pric</a>e above <a href="cost.htm">cost</a> <small>(the <a href="profit.htm">Profit</a>)</small> will be re-invested into growing that business, but the big <a href="diff.htm">diff</a>erence is that YOU are the <small>(not-yet-vested)</small> <a href="own.htm">Own</a>er of that little bit of <a href="proper.htm">proper</a>ty. The <a href="curr.htm">curr</a>ent <a href="own.htm">own</a>ers will <a href="use.htm">use</a> your $1.50 investment <small>(your <a href="pay.htm">pay</a>ment of <a href="profit.htm">Profit</a>)</small> along with the <a href="pay.htm">pay</a>ments of many other customers to purchase more beef cattle, wheat seed, tomato plants, onion bulbs, etc. plus <a href="land.htm">Land</a> and Water Rights needed to 'host' those organisms.<br/>
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So the business will grow almost "as usual" and yet the typical problem of Capital Accumulation does not occur because the <a href="own.htm">own</a>ership is automatically 'distributed' <small>(it's not that the <a href="own.htm">own</a>ership actively distributed, but that the <a href="own.htm">own</a>ership is NOT concentrated into the hands of the <a href="curr.htm">curr</a>ent <a href="own.htm">own</a>ers)</small>.<br/>
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<hr/><span class="date">Apr-27-2009:</span> Coercive Taxation can be replaced by Optional <a href="sourc.htm">Sourc</a>e Investments made by any group of citizens <small>(consumers)</small> wanting that 'public' good or service. This <a href="insur.htm">insur</a>es control of that <a href="sourc.htm">Sourc</a>e to the <a href="pay.htm">pay</a>ers and solves the "Tyranny of the Majority" problem through a sort of "pre-emptive secession" made available as the default stance to simply not <a href="pay.htm">pay</a>.<br/>
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We must continue to <a href="pay.htm">pay</a> 'external' taxes to the various levels of government we are growing withing <small>(at the level of city, county, <a href="stat.htm">stat</a>e, federal, world)</small> until we can overgrow them or become parallel entities, but Physical <a href="sourc.htm">Sourc</a>es wholly <a href="co-own.htm">co-own</a>ed by it's inve<a href="stor.htm">stor</a>s can approach <a href="fund.htm">fund</a>ing for "public utilities" within that organization in whatever manner that group sees fit.<br/>
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For instance, when we can organize a few thousand people to buy the <a href="land.htm">land</a> an capital to <a href="start.htm">start</a> a small city outside the borders of any other city, then those <small>(and only those)</small> <a href="co-own.htm">co-own</a>ers can set the policy for <a href="fund.htm">fund</a>ing public utilities within their jurisdiction. A city cannot <small>(legally)</small> refuse to <a href="pay.htm">pay</a> County or Federal taxes, but has full dominion as to how City taxes are to be paid and applied.<br/>
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This is a fairly obvious <a href="stat.htm">stat</a>ement. Of course the joint <a href="own.htm">own</a>ers of any <a href="proper.htm">proper</a>ty <small>(for instance, a vacation house)</small> will have arbitrary rules and regulations regarding it's <a href="use.htm">use</a>. But what is sometimes <small>(maybe often)</small> overlooked is how this pattern is the same as that of any so-called governmental body.<br/>
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So <a href="own.htm">own</a>ers operating <span class="quot">"'within the context of jointly held private <a href="proper.htm">proper</a>ty'"</span> have a certain a<a href="mount.htm">mount</a> of sovereignty that at the very least allows them to *ADD* rules about how that <a href="proper.htm">proper</a>ty is treated. They can't *<a href="delet.htm">DELET</a>E* rules enforced by any of the containing governments because that is considered "breaking the law".<br/>
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But adding rules <small>(think of rules as private laws)</small> is actually all we need to begin - for what is missing from our organizational efforts are the constraints needed to thwart 'unfair' accumulation.<br/>
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Determining what is 'fair' is a big problem. And even if that can be decided, what will we do about it?<br/>
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Many have claimed the root of problem lies in <a href="work.htm">work</a>ers being underpaid. If only we could get the <a href="work.htm">work</a>ers to be the <a href="own.htm">own</a>ers, it is said, then they could collect both wages AND <a href="profit.htm">profit</a> - and therefore would be compensated fully for their labor.<br/>
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This approach is based on the Labor Theory of Value which says <a href="profit.htm">profit</a> is the result of <small>(occurs because)</small> the <a href="work.htm">work</a>er puts more value into the <a href="produc.htm">produc</a>tion of that good or service than he is paid in wages.<br/>
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The LTV doesn't say anything about why a consumer would be willing to <a href="pay.htm">pay</a> that <a href="pric.htm">pric</a>e above <a href="cost.htm">cost</a>. The consumer is <a href="left.htm">left</a> out of the discussion as though he has no impact on the <a href="pric.htm">pric</a>e.<br/>
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But that approach seems myopic or even downright misleading since <a href="pric.htm">pric</a>e is set at the point-of-sale as a transaction between a salesperson <small>(another <a href="employ.htm">employ</a>ee separate from the <a href="produc.htm">produc</a>tion laborer)</small> and the end consumer.<br/>
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<a class="ext" href="http://Wikipedia.org/wiki/Consociationalism">Wikipedia.org/wiki/Consociationalism</a> <span class="quot2">>>a form of government involving guaranteed group representation, and is often suggested for managing conflict in deeply divided societies. It is often viewed as synonymous with power-sharing, although it is technically only one form of power-sharing.</span><br/>
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<hr/><span class="date">Apr-23-2009:</span> <a class="ext" href="http://ThePhone.coop">ThePhone.coop</a> <span class="quot2">>>shared values - a better provider This is the way a business should be run. For you, the customer. We provide the best service possible because we are <a href="own.htm">own</a>ed by you, our customers. With no outside inve<a href="stor.htm">stor</a>s taking <a href="profit.htm">profit</a>s.</span><br/>
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Unfortunately, inside inve<a href="stor.htm">stor</a>s *DO* take <a href="profit.htm">profit</a>s:<br/>
<span class="quot">"'The Phone Co-op belongs to its members, and membership is open to every customer who opens a share account with us and invests a minimum of £1. It's that simple.<br/>
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As a member you:<br/>
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* Get a share of any <a href="profit.htm">profit</a>, which is distributed through the Member Dividend. This takes the form of a % return on your total spend with us during the year. For the financial year 2006-2007 this was equivalent to 1.5% of what you spend with us*. This year the board is recommending a dividend of 2% to the AGM.<br/>
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<hr/><span class="date">Apr-23-2009:</span> <a class="ext" href="http://FoodCoops.org">FoodCoops.org</a> <span class="quot2">>>the home of food co-ops on the <a href="web.htm">web</a></span><br/>
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<hr/><span class="date">Apr-23-2009:</span> <a class="ext" href="http://CommunityShares.org.uk">CommunityShares.org.uk</a> <span class="quot">"'Community <a href="own.htm">own</a>ed enterprises will benefit from an exciting <a href="new.htm">new</a> government-<a href="back.htm">back</a>ed initiative which aims to stimulate investment through community share and bond issues.<br/>
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Community investment is <a href="diff.htm">diff</a>e<a href="rent.htm">rent</a>. Instead of turning to the private <a href="sect.htm">sect</a>or and wealthy individuals for support, community investment is about engaging communities to invest in themselves.<br/>
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By harnessing the collective investment powers of whole communities, large a<a href="mount.htm">mount</a>s of capital can be raised in small sums from members of the community.<br/>
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Be it a small village shop or large scale housing development, a community recycling project or major renewable energy scheme, they all have one thing in common -- actively committed and motivated members who recognise the wider benefits of communities investing and engaging in their <a href="own.htm">own</a> solutions.'"</span><br/>
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<hr/><span class="date">Apr-23-2009:</span> Another paper <a href="title.htm">title</a> <a href="ide.htm">ide</a>a: Municipal P2P -- Optimal Inve<a href="stor.htm">stor</a> Clustering for Cooperation without Centralization<br/>
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<hr/><span class="date">Apr-22-2009:</span> <a href="ide.htm">Ide</a>a for the <a href="title.htm">title</a> of a future paper: Exclusion and Rivalry in ALL <a href="produc.htm">Produc</a>tion <small>(both material or immaterial)</small> -- No <a href="pay.htm">Pay</a>, No Play.<br/>
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<hr/><span class="date">Apr-21-2009:</span> e<a href="mail.htm">mail</a>: Marginalism - the religion<br/>
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On Wed, Apr 15, 2009 at 4:45 PM, Diego Saravia <diego.saravia@<a class="ext" href="http://gmail.com">gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br/>
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<span class="quot">> "<a href="produc.htm">produc</a>tion" <small>(duplication)</small></span><br/>
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There is far more to <a href="produc.htm">produc</a>tion than duplication.<br/>
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There are Wages and other <a href="cost.htm">Cost</a>s associated with the initial Investment, <a href="install.htm">Install</a>ation, Operation, Maintenance, Housing/<a href="stor.htm">Stor</a>age, <a href="insur.htm">Insur</a>ance, Pollution of the Physical <a href="sourc.htm">Sourc</a>es <small>(Material Means of <a href="produc.htm">Produc</a>tion)</small> required to *host* any and all information <a href="produc.htm">produc</a>tion.<br/>
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There is also the special <a href="cost.htm">cost</a> of Exclusion that <a href="user.htm">user</a>s inflict upon each other when too many try to <a href="use.htm">use</a> these finite re<a href="sourc.htm">sourc</a>es simultaneously. Scheduling and allocation is therefore just as much of an issue for information goods as it is for physical goods. They both require a physical substrate to exist.<br/>
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<a href="liv.htm">Liv</a>ing things such as a Strawberry plant can be thought of as pure design <small>(DNA)</small> that has been applied to the minerals and organic matter causing the plant to grow and re<a href="produc.htm">produc</a>e <small>(duplicate)</small>. I'm no Christian, but it may be worth noting this is spoken of in a literal manner in the Holy Bible <small>(Sun Book)</small> when it is suggested that life comes "from the dust" or the 'clay' or 'ashes'.<br/>
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<span class="quot">> of info goods is only a copy of bytes, 0 marginal <a href="cost.htm">cost</a></span><br/>
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We cannot ignore the <a href="ecol.htm">ecol</a>ogic <a href="cost.htm">Cost</a>s of even 1 bit!<br/>
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Are <a href="cost.htm">cost</a>s Marginal for moving 64k from one memory location to another? Would a programmer <a href="agree.htm">agree</a> with you?<br/>
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Are TeraBytes across the globe Marginal? What is BitTor<a href="rent.htm">rent</a>?<br/>
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Is sharing copies locally cheaper? Are those savings always only Marginal?<br/>
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In either case, do the copper wires <a href="cost.htm">cost</a> nothing to mine, smelt, purify, cast/form, finish, cover, ship, <a href="stor.htm">stor</a>e and sell?<br/>
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What about the electricity? What about the noise? What about the heat? The pollution?<br/>
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<span class="quot">> if you have internet</span><br/>
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That's no small if!<br/>
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Who gets the internet for <a href="free.htm">Free</a> as in Beer?<br/>
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This view of <a href="real.htm">real</a>ity is so perplexing to me.<br/>
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How can such barriers to entry be so ignored?<br/>
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<a href="pric.htm">Pric</a>e matters! And we are all being overcharged.<br/>
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<span class="quot">> the only scarcity is "<a href="art.htm">art</a>ificial" , copyright law</span><br/>
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Copyright and Patents are primarily <a href="use.htm">use</a>d in an attempt to <a href="mak.htm">mak</a>e the holder Royal - in that the rest of us must then <a href="pay.htm">pay</a> Royalties.<br/>
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But it is possible to <a href="use.htm">use</a> Copyright and maybe even Patents in our favor.<br/>
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The <a href="gnu.htm">GNU</a> <a href="gpl.htm">GPL</a> <a href="use.htm">use</a>s Copyright to require <a href="user.htm">User</a>s receive at-<a href="cost.htm">cost</a> access to the "informational" <a href="sourc.htm">Sourc</a>es of <a href="produc.htm">Produc</a>tion such as <a href="sourc.htm">sourc</a>e-code, <a href="buil.htm">buil</a>d scripts, <a href="cad.htm">CAD</a> designs, VLSE.<br/>
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Without Copyright there could be no Copy<a href="left.htm">left</a>, and without Copy<a href="left.htm">left</a>, <a href="user.htm">user</a>s could not be guaranteed the 4 <a href="free.htm">free</a>doms in perpetuity because some future developers would <a href="buil.htm">buil</a>d upon those informational commons while <a href="mak.htm">mak</a>ing the result <a href="prop.htm">prop</a>rietary for the purpose of increasing <a href="profit.htm">profit</a> <small>(scarcity measures <a href="profit.htm">profit</a>)</small>.<br/>
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When <a href="user.htm">user</a>s <small>(consumers)</small> have "at <a href="cost.htm">cost</a>" access to the <a href="sourc.htm">sourc</a>es of <a href="produc.htm">produc</a>tion <small>(both informational and physical)</small>, then competition is maximized because every potential <a href="work.htm">work</a>er can vie for that <a href="job.htm">job</a> without external '<a href="own.htm">own</a>ers' getting in the way - for in this case the <a href="user.htm">user</a> and <a href="own.htm">own</a>er are the same.<br/>
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<span class="quot">> so info goods are not <a href="econ.htm">econ</a>omic goods</span><br/>
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This is what I don't understand.<br/>
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What about the <a href="own.htm">own</a>ers of the physical <a href="sourc.htm">sourc</a>es needed to *host* those informational goods?<br/>
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Are the <a href="cost.htm">cost</a> of creating and maintaining Google's server-farms marginal?<br/>
<br/>
What does this guy <small>[ <a class="ext" href="http://www.alex-reid.net/2009/04/from-immaterial-labor-to-immaterial-profits.html">http://www.alex-reid.net/2009/04/from-immaterial-labor-to-immaterial-profits.html</a> ]</small> mean when he says:<br/>
<br/>
"... the <a href="cost.htm">cost</a>s associated with maintaining all that <a href="user.htm">user</a>-generated content continue to rise. The <a href="art.htm">art</a>icle reports a Cr<a href="edit.htm">edit</a> Suisse estimate that YouTube lost $470M last year."<br/>
<br/>
<br/>
And $470M is just the *loss*. What about the *gross* <a href="cost.htm">cost</a>s before the ad-revenue paid for some of it? Is $1 Billion dollars marginal?<br/>
<br/>
<br/>
Patrick<br/>
<br/>
<br/>
<hr/><span class="date">Apr-21-2009:</span> Thinking last night and this morning about mechanical soil preparation. The <a href="ide.htm">ide</a>a is to design and <a href="buil.htm">buil</a>d a 12-inch wide sod-removal <a href="mac.htm">mac</a>hine that has a conveyor system to pull the sod-dirt-rocks over vibrating screen that would let most of the soil fall through while 'harvesting' most of the <a href="liv.htm">liv</a>ing plant material and larger rocks. The mesh of of plant roots would <a href="pass.htm">pass</a> through the <a href="mac.htm">mac</a>hine and end up as a sort of foot-wide wind-row on top of that same <a href="spac.htm">spac</a>e. The rocks might be collected and deposited at the ends of the rows, or - in very rocky soil - might be conveyed to a an attached trailer.<br/>
<br/>
<hr/><span class="date">Apr-21-2009:</span> <a href="buil.htm">Buil</a>ding on marc fawzi's "Power Words" <a href="ide.htm">ide</a>a:<br/>
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<a href="free.htm">Free</a>, <a href="free.htm">Free</a>dom, <a href="lib.htm">Lib</a>re, <a href="lib.htm">Lib</a>erty<br/>
<br/>
Commons, Collective, Coop, Co-Op, Cooperate, <a href="collab.htm">Collab</a>orate, Commune, Connect, Join, <a href="net.htm">Net</a>, <a href="web.htm">Web</a><br/>
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Social, Trust, Organize, Group<br/>
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<a href="fund.htm">Fund</a>, Invest, Capital, Finance, Loan, Debt, <a href="bank.htm">Bank</a>, <a href="mone.htm">Mone</a>y, DeathGrip <small>(MortGage)</small><br/>
<br/>
<br/>
Means, <a href="sourc.htm">Sourc</a>e, Input<br/>
<br/>
<a href="produc.htm">Produc</a>t, <a href="obj.htm">Obj</a>ect, Output<br/>
<br/>
<br/>
Service, <a href="net.htm">Net</a><a href="work.htm">work</a>, Transport<br/>
<br/>
Tax, <a href="cost.htm">Cost</a>, <a href="pric.htm">Pric</a>e<br/>
<br/>
Revenue, Dividends, Earnings, <a href="profit.htm">Profit</a><br/>
<br/>
Scarcity, Abundance<br/>
<br/>
Material, Immaterial<br/>
<br/>
<br/>
Copyright, Patents, Copy<a href="left.htm">left</a><br/>
<br/>
Copy, Duplicate, Instantiate<br/>
<br/>
<br/>
Royalty, <a href="prop.htm">Prop</a>riety, <a href="prop.htm">Prop</a>rietary<br/>
<br/>
<a href="own.htm">Own</a>ership, <a href="proper.htm">Proper</a>ty, Private, Public, Personal<br/>
<br/>
<a href="mone.htm">Mone</a>y, <a href="curr.htm">Curr</a>ency, Cache, <a href="bank.htm">Bank</a>, <a href="stor.htm">Stor</a>e, Cr<a href="edit.htm">edit</a>, Debt<br/>
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Govern, Manage, <a href="admin.htm">Admin</a>, root<br/>
<br/>
<a href="land.htm">Land</a>, Capital, Labor<br/>
<br/>
<a href="rent.htm">Rent</a>, <a href="profit.htm">Profit</a>, Wage<br/>
<br/>
p2p<br/>
<br/>
design, software<br/>
implementation, <a href="hard.htm">hard</a>ware<br/>
<br/>
gift<br/>
<br/>
<a href="work.htm">work</a><br/>
<br/>
stakeholder, shareholder<br/>
<br/>
<a href="user.htm">user</a><br/>
inve<a href="stor.htm">stor</a><br/>
coordinator, custodian, manager<br/>
<br/>
hierarchy<br/>
<br/>
<a href="spac.htm">spac</a>e+time, mass+energy, design+genetics<br/>
<br/>
change, time, cycle<br/>
<br/>
share<br/>
prototyping<br/>
<br/>
join<br/>
<br/>
plan<br/>
system<br/>
garden, permaculture<br/>
<br/>
custodian <small>(means of <a href="produc.htm">produc</a>tion)</small><br/>
operator <small>(maintaining and expanding <a href="use.htm">use</a> value of means of <a href="produc.htm">produc</a>tion)</small><br/>
and the inve<a href="stor.htm">stor</a>s <small>(expanding means of <a href="produc.htm">produc</a>tion)</small>.<br/>
<br/>
<br/>
<hr/><span class="date">Apr-19-2009:</span> E<a href="mail.htm">mail</a>: Governance and Incorporation <small>(was Socialized Infrastructure <small>(Sweden)</small>)</small><br/>
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On Sat, Apr 18, 2009 at 3:02 PM, marc fawzi <marc.fawzi@<a class="ext" href="http://gmail.com">gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br/>
<span class="quot">> /. wrote:</span><br/>
<span class="quot2">>> "Symmetric, 100 Mbps service in <a href="stock.htm">Stock</a>holm <a href="cost.htm">cost</a>s $11/month <small>[in <a href="stock.htm">Stock</a>holm.]</small></span><br/>
<span class="quot2">>> Conditions in every city are <a href="diff.htm">diff</a>e<a href="rent.htm">rent</a>, but <a href="part.htm">part</a> of the explanation for the</span><br/>
<span class="quot2">>> low <a href="cost.htm">cost</a> is that the city <a href="own.htm">own</a>s a municipal fiber <a href="net.htm">net</a><a href="work.htm">work</a> reaching every</span><br/>
<span class="quot2">>> block. They lease <a href="net.htm">net</a><a href="work.htm">work</a> access to anyone who would like to offer service.</span><br/>
<span class="quot2">>> The ISPs, including incumbent telephone and cable companies, compete on an</span><br/>
<span class="quot2">>> equal footing."</span><br/>
<br/>
If the customers are <a href="pay.htm">pay</a>ing $11/month the ISPs are taking a <a href="profit.htm">profit</a>,<br/>
then it *could* be even cheaper.<br/>
<br/>
Right?<br/>
<br/>
I mean, if the WE <small>(any group with any need)</small> knew how to share, then<br/>
the WE could pool their re<a href="sourc.htm">sourc</a>es to lease the line and then share the<br/>
benefits at <a href="cost.htm">cost</a>. Right?<br/>
<br/>
And if the WE were even more aggressive, the WE could even purchase<br/>
and *<a href="own.htm">own</a>* the Material Means of <a href="produc.htm">Produc</a>tion <small>(the physical <a href="net.htm">net</a><a href="work.htm">work</a> in<br/>
this case)</small>.<br/>
<br/>
Now the ./ <a href="art.htm">art</a>icle seems to imply that the WE <small>(in Sweden)</small> <a href="own.htm">own</a> those lines.<br/>
<br/>
But that is not quite true because the supposed WE <small>(the city in this<br/>
case)</small> will not lease the line directly to customers, but instead<br/>
require for-<a href="profit.htm">profit</a> corporations become the "middle-men" - taking<br/>
control and value <small>(<a href="profit.htm">profit</a>)</small> away from the customers.<br/>
<br/>
There are more <a href="admin.htm">admin</a>istrative <a href="cost.htm">cost</a>s if THEY <small>(the city government)</small> were<br/>
also the ISP layer.<br/>
<br/>
And the semi-valid argument against such a move is that it creates<br/>
centralized <a href="stat.htm">Stat</a>e Socialism.<br/>
<br/>
The reason that argument has some validity is because almost all<br/>
governments are <a href="curr.htm">curr</a>ently under the direction of Capitalist <small>(<a href="profit.htm">profit</a><br/>
maximizing and therefore scarcity maximizing)</small> corporations.<br/>
<br/>
<span class="bullet">.</span>...<br/>
<br/>
So we won't be able Govern ourselves effectively until we have control<br/>
of <a href="produc.htm">Produc</a>tion.<br/>
<br/>
But we can't control <a href="produc.htm">Produc</a>tion <small>(can't organize effectively)</small> until we<br/>
discover how to share the Material Means of <a href="produc.htm">Produc</a>tion.<br/>
<br/>
And sharing Physical <a href="sourc.htm">Sourc</a>es for the purpose of maximizing <a href="free.htm">free</a>dom and<br/>
<small>(s<a href="econ.htm">econ</a>darily)</small> utilization means we must <a href="know.htm">know</a> how to self-Govern.<br/>
<br/>
So it seems we may be at an im<a href="pass.htm">pass</a>e.<br/>
<br/>
<br/>
We can't change our <a href="curr.htm">curr</a>ent governments directly <small>(voting is theater)</small><br/>
because they are controlled by Capitalist Corporations.<br/>
<br/>
And we can't change how we create *<a href="new.htm">new</a>* Corporations because we do not<br/>
yet <a href="know.htm">know</a> precisely what is wrong with the <a href="curr.htm">curr</a>ent entities.<br/>
<br/>
I mean, sure they're 'evil'. But what causes them to be such bullies?<br/>
<br/>
Is there any chance it is a structure that rewards scarcity?<br/>
<br/>
If so, then where is the root of that reward?<br/>
<br/>
Is <a href="profit.htm">profit</a> related to scarcity? If so, then what shall be done with it?<br/>
<br/>
<br/>
Patrick<br/>
<br/>
<br/>
<hr/><span class="date">Apr-03-2009:</span> Business <a href="title.htm">title</a> <a href="ide.htm">ide</a>a: BuyCo and CoBuy<br/>
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<hr/><span class="date">Apr-02-2009:</span> Business <a href="title.htm">title</a> <a href="ide.htm">ide</a>a: Square Foot Grocer<br/>
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<hr/><span class="date">Apr-01-2009:</span><br/>
<a class="ext" href="http://Sustainable-Everyday.net">Sustainable-Everyday.net</a> <span class="quot">"'The Sustainable Everyday Project <small>(SEP)</small> <a href="prop.htm">prop</a>oses an open <a href="web.htm">web</a> platform to stimulate social conversation on possible sustainable futures
<br/>
The SEP <a href="net.htm">net</a><a href="work.htm">work</a> is organized around 3 core activities.<br/>
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The promotion of a Scenarios laboratory where <a href="new.htm">new</a> visions of sustainable everyday life are <a href="prop.htm">prop</a>osed and discussed.<br/>
<br/>
The constitution of a Catalogue of cases showing examples of social innovation from all other the world developing original solutions <a href="promis.htm">promis</a>ing in terms of sustainability.<br/>
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The organization of a traveling exhibition to meet public events, confront with close scientific communities and give visibility to <a href="new.htm">new</a> visions of sustainable daily <a href="liv.htm">liv</a>ing.<br/>
<br/>
The SEP platform hosts several research activities and didactic <a href="work.htm">work</a>shops. The Platform is an organization and communication tool providing an open <a href="web.htm">web</a> <a href="spac.htm">spac</a>e and visibility for activities relating to the fields of design and sustainability in the everyday context.<br/>
<br/>
SEP is an independent <a href="net.htm">net</a><a href="work.htm">work</a> <a href="fund.htm">fund</a>ed by public research projects and organization of events. <a href="edit.htm">Edit</a>orial activities are based on a voluntary <a href="part.htm">part</a>icipation.<br/>
<br/>
SEP events are placed under the patronage of UNEP United Nations Environment Program.'"</span><br/>
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